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	<title>Comments on: Public library value ratios: Worth doing or not?</title>
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		<title>By: waltcrawford</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2012/05/public-library-value-ratios-worth-doing-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-86541</link>
		<dc:creator>waltcrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 14:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I haven&#039;t made up my mind. If I seemed defensive about your comments, I apologize--but your comment seemed to be on the attack (&quot;no-brainer,&quot; &quot;arbitrarily assigned,&quot; etc.)--and to assume that I was trying to &lt;b&gt;replace&lt;/b&gt; state ROI studies rather than providing a new form of information. If your response is typical of how state libraries would view what I&#039;m thinking of, then I should abandon the idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I haven&#8217;t made up my mind. If I seemed defensive about your comments, I apologize&#8211;but your comment seemed to be on the attack (&#8220;no-brainer,&#8221; &#8220;arbitrarily assigned,&#8221; etc.)&#8211;and to assume that I was trying to <b>replace</b> state ROI studies rather than providing a new form of information. If your response is typical of how state libraries would view what I&#8217;m thinking of, then I should abandon the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Matthews</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2012/05/public-library-value-ratios-worth-doing-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-86540</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 13:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like you&#039;ve already made up your mind, so I&#039;m not sure why the request for feedback about which you appear defensive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you&#8217;ve already made up your mind, so I&#8217;m not sure why the request for feedback about which you appear defensive.</p>
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		<title>By: waltcrawford</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2012/05/public-library-value-ratios-worth-doing-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-86503</link>
		<dc:creator>waltcrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 15:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks all (so far); I&#039;d love to have additional comments.

d johnson: I&#039;m well aware of the library ROI calculators (they&#039;ve been around for years, all originating from one source) and think they&#039;re great. But they&#039;re for individual use. I&#039;m looking at broader trends.

Steve: If you&#039;ve read &lt;b&gt;any&lt;/b&gt; of my research work, you know that I&#039;m always 100% explicit about my assumptions and methods. That&#039;s been true for years. (If you haven&#039;t read any of my earlier work, I&#039;m a little surprised that you&#039;re commenting here.)  &lt;strong&gt;(See below.)&lt;/strong&gt;

Others: Thanks--and Crystal, I think I hear one reason I think this might be valuable and different: I really, truly, completely am NOT interested in setting up another list of &quot;here are the GREAT libraries.&quot;
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&lt;b&gt;Addition after following the link in Steve Matthews&#039; comment, all of the links in the post found, and all of the ROI documents from those links:&lt;/b&gt;

1. I&#039;m not claiming that what I&#039;m doing is &quot;more valid&quot;--but individual libraries and states might find it additionally valuable. I do not in any way intend to replace state ROI studies.

2. My model is deliberately simple, conservative, and designed to return a &lt;b&gt;minimum&lt;/b&gt; value, based only on countables as reported to IMLS. The model will be stated in full as part of the book. 

3. To me, it&#039;s not &lt;em&gt;at all&lt;/em&gt; obvious that well-funded libraries continue to return equivalent value for additional dollars spent, and I don&#039;t think that&#039;s obvious to a typical skeptical user either. Why is it obvious that a library spending $50 per capita will offer twice as much value to the average user as one spending $25 per capita? I certainly don&#039;t assume the Pentagon&#039;s $600 hammers are 30 times as good as ordinary $20 hammers...

4. The key difference between the book I&#039;m considering doing and all of the ROI studies I&#039;ve looked at: I&#039;m not just offering One Big Number, but ranges and correlations--so, say, a library serving 25,000 people with $30 per capita expenditures in Colorado can compare itself to other libraries in the same size range, funding range, or state (and broader size range), and have some evidence that $40 per capita funding would yield worthwhile additional value. (Compare itself: Not because it would be named in the book--&lt;b&gt;no library will be called out by name&lt;/b&gt;--but because any library should know its reported numbers and can repeat the calculation I&#039;ve done. If a library doesn&#039;t, email to me will return the appropriate line of the spreadsheet, for the library&#039;s internal use, since I *can* go back to names through a two-step process.)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all (so far); I&#8217;d love to have additional comments.</p>
<p>d johnson: I&#8217;m well aware of the library ROI calculators (they&#8217;ve been around for years, all originating from one source) and think they&#8217;re great. But they&#8217;re for individual use. I&#8217;m looking at broader trends.</p>
<p>Steve: If you&#8217;ve read <b>any</b> of my research work, you know that I&#8217;m always 100% explicit about my assumptions and methods. That&#8217;s been true for years. (If you haven&#8217;t read any of my earlier work, I&#8217;m a little surprised that you&#8217;re commenting here.)  <strong>(See below.)</strong></p>
<p>Others: Thanks&#8211;and Crystal, I think I hear one reason I think this might be valuable and different: I really, truly, completely am NOT interested in setting up another list of &#8220;here are the GREAT libraries.&#8221;</p>
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<b>Addition after following the link in Steve Matthews&#8217; comment, all of the links in the post found, and all of the ROI documents from those links:</b></p>
<p>1. I&#8217;m not claiming that what I&#8217;m doing is &#8220;more valid&#8221;&#8211;but individual libraries and states might find it additionally valuable. I do not in any way intend to replace state ROI studies.</p>
<p>2. My model is deliberately simple, conservative, and designed to return a <b>minimum</b> value, based only on countables as reported to IMLS. The model will be stated in full as part of the book. </p>
<p>3. To me, it&#8217;s not <em>at all</em> obvious that well-funded libraries continue to return equivalent value for additional dollars spent, and I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s obvious to a typical skeptical user either. Why is it obvious that a library spending $50 per capita will offer twice as much value to the average user as one spending $25 per capita? I certainly don&#8217;t assume the Pentagon&#8217;s $600 hammers are 30 times as good as ordinary $20 hammers&#8230;</p>
<p>4. The key difference between the book I&#8217;m considering doing and all of the ROI studies I&#8217;ve looked at: I&#8217;m not just offering One Big Number, but ranges and correlations&#8211;so, say, a library serving 25,000 people with $30 per capita expenditures in Colorado can compare itself to other libraries in the same size range, funding range, or state (and broader size range), and have some evidence that $40 per capita funding would yield worthwhile additional value. (Compare itself: Not because it would be named in the book&#8211;<b>no library will be called out by name</b>&#8211;but because any library should know its reported numbers and can repeat the calculation I&#8217;ve done. If a library doesn&#8217;t, email to me will return the appropriate line of the spreadsheet, for the library&#8217;s internal use, since I *can* go back to names through a two-step process.)</p>
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		<title>By: Crystal Gates</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2012/05/public-library-value-ratios-worth-doing-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-86501</link>
		<dc:creator>Crystal Gates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 15:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it would be helpful, especially with names being omitted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be helpful, especially with names being omitted.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Anne Hodel</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2012/05/public-library-value-ratios-worth-doing-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-86500</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Anne Hodel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 15:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would welcome this information.  Helping libraries show their value is particularly valuable in our current political environment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would welcome this information.  Helping libraries show their value is particularly valuable in our current political environment.</p>
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		<title>By: d johnson</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2012/05/public-library-value-ratios-worth-doing-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-86499</link>
		<dc:creator>d johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 15:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our library has a link to show our value. It tells you what you saved for every dollar earned. It is very effective for our patron base who think we do not contribute to our area.
Here is the link to play with:
http://www.countylibrary.org/librarycalc.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our library has a link to show our value. It tells you what you saved for every dollar earned. It is very effective for our patron base who think we do not contribute to our area.<br />
Here is the link to play with:<br />
<a href="http://www.countylibrary.org/librarycalc.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.countylibrary.org/librarycalc.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Matthews</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2012/05/public-library-value-ratios-worth-doing-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-86497</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 14:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For what it&#039;s worth, it seems it would only by useful IF the Value Ratio to which you refer is an empirical statistically useful number. Simply calling some number &quot;value&quot; doesn&#039;t make it valid. Are you using contingent valuation (CV) either willingness-to-pay (WTP) or willingness-to-accept (WTA)? Or are you using some arbitrarily assigned &quot;value&quot;? 

It also seems like a no-brainer premise to say that &quot;libraries that are better funded provide better service.&quot; One of the pitfalls of using data collected for one purpose to apply to a different purpose is that it requires numerous questionable assumptions to make the numbers meaningful. How would this data be more valid or more valuable than the results from several states that conducted their own ROI study within the past few years? &lt;a href=&quot;http://21stcenturylibrary.com/2010/03/08/the-21st-century-library-is-more/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The 21st Century Library is More:&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, it seems it would only by useful IF the Value Ratio to which you refer is an empirical statistically useful number. Simply calling some number &#8220;value&#8221; doesn&#8217;t make it valid. Are you using contingent valuation (CV) either willingness-to-pay (WTP) or willingness-to-accept (WTA)? Or are you using some arbitrarily assigned &#8220;value&#8221;? </p>
<p>It also seems like a no-brainer premise to say that &#8220;libraries that are better funded provide better service.&#8221; One of the pitfalls of using data collected for one purpose to apply to a different purpose is that it requires numerous questionable assumptions to make the numbers meaningful. How would this data be more valid or more valuable than the results from several states that conducted their own ROI study within the past few years? <a href="http://21stcenturylibrary.com/2010/03/08/the-21st-century-library-is-more/" rel="nofollow">The 21st Century Library is More:</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregg Williamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Williamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 15:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not sure how I&#039;d use this research at my level but it seems to me that it is always good to be able &quot;prove&quot; our value.  But I am new to all of this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure how I&#8217;d use this research at my level but it seems to me that it is always good to be able &#8220;prove&#8221; our value.  But I am new to all of this.</p>
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