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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2011/04/how-intrusive-are-with-post-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-61408</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 00:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bobbi: Interesting. I have a Donate button at Cites &amp; Insights. Since I&#039;ve had it, I haven&#039;t had enough donations to pay for hosting over that period. That may say something about relative value...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobbi: Interesting. I have a Donate button at Cites &#038; Insights. Since I&#8217;ve had it, I haven&#8217;t had enough donations to pay for hosting over that period. That may say something about relative value&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bobbi</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2011/04/how-intrusive-are-with-post-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-61406</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 00:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walt I suggest you take a look at the comments on the post on my blog where I announced my donate button. People were very much against ads, though one commenter did suggest an option that is literature related ads, so well, perhaps more acceptable. I will say that the donate button has been a success, which I&#039;m sure is a disappointment to some. 

http://librarianbyday.net/2010/12/15/the-donate-button-versus-google-ads-your-tips-are-appreciated/

personally I don&#039;t like ads, but I do a good job of ignoring them and I completely understand the desire to at lease recoup costs on all the hard work that goes into a blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt I suggest you take a look at the comments on the post on my blog where I announced my donate button. People were very much against ads, though one commenter did suggest an option that is literature related ads, so well, perhaps more acceptable. I will say that the donate button has been a success, which I&#8217;m sure is a disappointment to some. </p>
<p><a href="http://librarianbyday.net/2010/12/15/the-donate-button-versus-google-ads-your-tips-are-appreciated/" rel="nofollow">http://librarianbyday.net/2010/12/15/the-donate-button-versus-google-ads-your-tips-are-appreciated/</a></p>
<p>personally I don&#8217;t like ads, but I do a good job of ignoring them and I completely understand the desire to at lease recoup costs on all the hard work that goes into a blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2011/04/how-intrusive-are-with-post-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-61039</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 05:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just looking at davidleeking.com, while posts aren&#039;t necessarily tailored to increase ad penetration, I do see a focus that I&#039;d guess would have a higher ad yield (no offense meant, just description). I see posts on the front page now which include &quot;Basics of Podcasting Presentation&quot;  and &quot;Livestreaming is Easy&quot;. Those are good ad topics. So I&#039;d take his figures as an upper limit for what you can expect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just looking at davidleeking.com, while posts aren&#8217;t necessarily tailored to increase ad penetration, I do see a focus that I&#8217;d guess would have a higher ad yield (no offense meant, just description). I see posts on the front page now which include &#8220;Basics of Podcasting Presentation&#8221;  and &#8220;Livestreaming is Easy&#8221;. Those are good ad topics. So I&#8217;d take his figures as an upper limit for what you can expect.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2011/04/how-intrusive-are-with-post-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-61001</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Sigh: WordPress suddenly decided I wasn&#039;t logged in...after I&#039;d written a careful response. So here goes a shorter one. Thanks, WordPress!)

David: I&#039;m not complaining; I mention your ads only because in-feed ads are unusual among libloggers. Thanks for the helpful information on where to go for ads &amp; info and the reality check about income levels (which is about what I was anticipating, actually--I made $20 in four months the last time I tried AdWords, but I&#039;m hoping I can do better this time around, but &quot;do better&quot; would presumably be in the hundreds of dollars per year).

Seth: I thought I had a possibility of direct sponsorship, but that doesn&#039;t seem to be happening. At this point, I&#039;m still seeking sponsorship for Cites &amp; Insights, a more predictable outlet where sponsorship may make more sense--and where I had a sponsor for several years. Everything else you say is sort of what I thought, and I&#039;m not about to either use SEO or start tailoring posts to increase ad penetration--and I don&#039;t believe David has ever tailored posts in that manner.

Angel, GeekChic: Thanks for your helpful comments.

I&#039;ll leave this open a little longer, but so far it sounds as though nobody objects to most ads.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Sigh: WordPress suddenly decided I wasn&#8217;t logged in&#8230;after I&#8217;d written a careful response. So here goes a shorter one. Thanks, WordPress!)</p>
<p>David: I&#8217;m not complaining; I mention your ads only because in-feed ads are unusual among libloggers. Thanks for the helpful information on where to go for ads &#038; info and the reality check about income levels (which is about what I was anticipating, actually&#8211;I made $20 in four months the last time I tried AdWords, but I&#8217;m hoping I can do better this time around, but &#8220;do better&#8221; would presumably be in the hundreds of dollars per year).</p>
<p>Seth: I thought I had a possibility of direct sponsorship, but that doesn&#8217;t seem to be happening. At this point, I&#8217;m still seeking sponsorship for Cites &#038; Insights, a more predictable outlet where sponsorship may make more sense&#8211;and where I had a sponsor for several years. Everything else you say is sort of what I thought, and I&#8217;m not about to either use SEO or start tailoring posts to increase ad penetration&#8211;and I don&#8217;t believe David has ever tailored posts in that manner.</p>
<p>Angel, GeekChic: Thanks for your helpful comments.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave this open a little longer, but so far it sounds as though nobody objects to most ads.</p>
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		<title>By: david lee king</title>
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		<dc:creator>david lee king</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I started using ads as more of an experiment than anything - it was a part of the whole web thing that I wasn&#039;t familiar with. I still need to do more tweaking and playing with it!

But that said, here&#039;s what I do right now:
- google adsense in posts (after a few days), and in my rss feed. I&#039;m using a plugin for those.
- amazon affiliate ads - I put those in my most popular posts, or when I&#039;m talking about something that&#039;s sold on amazon, like a book or a microphone.

Combined, I&#039;m making around $5-600 a year off those. Not much, but then again, it pays for my website and for pro accounts on services like Flickr.

Problogger will have a ton of info about ad services you might think about.

And - I have yet to have anyone complain, or even mention the ads on my website (well, other than this post :-). People don&#039;t seem to mind them much, I guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started using ads as more of an experiment than anything &#8211; it was a part of the whole web thing that I wasn&#8217;t familiar with. I still need to do more tweaking and playing with it!</p>
<p>But that said, here&#8217;s what I do right now:<br />
- google adsense in posts (after a few days), and in my rss feed. I&#8217;m using a plugin for those.<br />
- amazon affiliate ads &#8211; I put those in my most popular posts, or when I&#8217;m talking about something that&#8217;s sold on amazon, like a book or a microphone.</p>
<p>Combined, I&#8217;m making around $5-600 a year off those. Not much, but then again, it pays for my website and for pro accounts on services like Flickr.</p>
<p>Problogger will have a ton of info about ad services you might think about.</p>
<p>And &#8211; I have yet to have anyone complain, or even mention the ads on my website (well, other than this post <img src='http://walt.lishost.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . People don&#8217;t seem to mind them much, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another AdBlock user here. Anyway, ads tend to be chump-change for bloggers who aren&#039;t in high-demand niches (maybe do posts about p_o-k.e+r). Granted, it could be argued that something is better than nothing. But I can say I was very disappointed with Google&#039;s ads on my blog.

&gt; Any other suggestions as to how to make this blog a source of income?

Some sort of sponsorship comes to mind, but I assume you&#039;ve thought of that.

Blog-evangelism is a con game. Outside narrow exceptions, the people who make money from blogs are the ones selling the bloggers, in one way or another :-( .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another AdBlock user here. Anyway, ads tend to be chump-change for bloggers who aren&#8217;t in high-demand niches (maybe do posts about p_o-k.e+r). Granted, it could be argued that something is better than nothing. But I can say I was very disappointed with Google&#8217;s ads on my blog.</p>
<p>&gt; Any other suggestions as to how to make this blog a source of income?</p>
<p>Some sort of sponsorship comes to mind, but I assume you&#8217;ve thought of that.</p>
<p>Blog-evangelism is a con game. Outside narrow exceptions, the people who make money from blogs are the ones selling the bloggers, in one way or another <img src='http://walt.lishost.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
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		<title>By: GeekChic</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeekChic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t find ads intrusive because I use NoScript and AdBlock in Firefox so I never see them. ;) That said, I will turn both off on sites that I like that rely on ad-based funding with the proviso that the site owner needs to be judicious about the ad content since ads can be a vehicle of malicious code.

Several of the blogs that I read have ads in their feeds. I don&#039;t find these intrusive either so that might be another alternative.

As for ad networks... several online comics I read use Project Wonderful. I&#039;m not aware of any others that I find acceptable (DoubleClick has been used as a vehicle for malicious code so I won&#039;t unblock it).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t find ads intrusive because I use NoScript and AdBlock in Firefox so I never see them. <img src='http://walt.lishost.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  That said, I will turn both off on sites that I like that rely on ad-based funding with the proviso that the site owner needs to be judicious about the ad content since ads can be a vehicle of malicious code.</p>
<p>Several of the blogs that I read have ads in their feeds. I don&#8217;t find these intrusive either so that might be another alternative.</p>
<p>As for ad networks&#8230; several online comics I read use Project Wonderful. I&#8217;m not aware of any others that I find acceptable (DoubleClick has been used as a vehicle for malicious code so I won&#8217;t unblock it).</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For what little my two cents may be worth: 

1. By now I usually don&#039;t worry about ads on a site too much. As long as they are not too flashy or intrusive (I loathe those pop-up things that start an ad right as you start to read an article. And don&#039;t get me started on autoplay stuff. Not that I think you&#039;d do that), I can usually deal. 

2. Banners if they are on the top of the site, by now, I have learned to ignore (though I will admit, something catches my eye, I may click, but rarely). The in-text ads, if they sort of blend in, I just tune out. 

For 3 &amp; 4, I don&#039;t have anything, sorry. Not that knowledgeable on the subject myself. I will ad that more recently I have learned to use ad blocker apps on my Firefox, to cut down on the most egregious things. Given how savvy librarians are, I would not be surprised if more of them do it too. 

Best, and keep on blogging.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what little my two cents may be worth: </p>
<p>1. By now I usually don&#8217;t worry about ads on a site too much. As long as they are not too flashy or intrusive (I loathe those pop-up things that start an ad right as you start to read an article. And don&#8217;t get me started on autoplay stuff. Not that I think you&#8217;d do that), I can usually deal. </p>
<p>2. Banners if they are on the top of the site, by now, I have learned to ignore (though I will admit, something catches my eye, I may click, but rarely). The in-text ads, if they sort of blend in, I just tune out. </p>
<p>For 3 &amp; 4, I don&#8217;t have anything, sorry. Not that knowledgeable on the subject myself. I will ad that more recently I have learned to use ad blocker apps on my Firefox, to cut down on the most egregious things. Given how savvy librarians are, I would not be surprised if more of them do it too. </p>
<p>Best, and keep on blogging.</p>
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