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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;You can&#8217;t buy a place for&#8230;&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2011/01/you-cant-buy-a-place-for/comment-page-1/#comment-55458</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well...some parts of the Bay Area really do require air conditioning, e.g. here in Livermore. (Last summer, the AC probably ran less than 12 hours total, but that&#039;s unusual--and we keep it set at 80 during the day, higher at night.) &quot;Crazy car maintenance&quot; is an interesting point: I think you see a lot more well-maintained very old cars around here because they don&#039;t have to deal with salt on the roads. 

Still, as to cost of living: beyond real estate, I&#039;m still not sure I see it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;some parts of the Bay Area really do require air conditioning, e.g. here in Livermore. (Last summer, the AC probably ran less than 12 hours total, but that&#8217;s unusual&#8211;and we keep it set at 80 during the day, higher at night.) &#8220;Crazy car maintenance&#8221; is an interesting point: I think you see a lot more well-maintained very old cars around here because they don&#8217;t have to deal with salt on the roads. </p>
<p>Still, as to cost of living: beyond real estate, I&#8217;m still not sure I see it.</p>
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		<title>By: rcn</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to Blake, it&#039;s true that cost of living - especially real estate - is high here, but most salaries are also higher than elsewhere. Although a career as a public librarian doesn&#039;t pay nearly as much as one in high tech, it&#039;s higher than in the rest of the U.S. And real estate has come down considerably in the past year or two. I&#039;m with Walt - having moved here from the Midwest, I have no desire to return to cold winters requiring expensive home heating systems, extra clothing costs, and crazy car maintenance - not to mention hot, humid summers requiring expensive cooling systems. 

rcn in SF Bay Area]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Blake, it&#8217;s true that cost of living &#8211; especially real estate &#8211; is high here, but most salaries are also higher than elsewhere. Although a career as a public librarian doesn&#8217;t pay nearly as much as one in high tech, it&#8217;s higher than in the rest of the U.S. And real estate has come down considerably in the past year or two. I&#8217;m with Walt &#8211; having moved here from the Midwest, I have no desire to return to cold winters requiring expensive home heating systems, extra clothing costs, and crazy car maintenance &#8211; not to mention hot, humid summers requiring expensive cooling systems. </p>
<p>rcn in SF Bay Area</p>
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		<title>By: Christina Pikas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina Pikas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 03:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Milk here - if you don&#039;t go to Costco, on a bad week? $3.49/gallon for skim. It varies a lot by week.
Houses are pretty expensive, too. Can get 1100 square feet on a quarter acre lot near me for $350k.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milk here &#8211; if you don&#8217;t go to Costco, on a bad week? $3.49/gallon for skim. It varies a lot by week.<br />
Houses are pretty expensive, too. Can get 1100 square feet on a quarter acre lot near me for $350k.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, there are places for under $100/sqft, in Daly City at least (which is typically cheaper than either South San Francisco or San Bruno, and still closer than SF itself)--but they&#039;re either foreclosures or manufactured homes/mobile homes. (E.g., here&#039;s one for $114,000, a 1,248-sqft 2&amp;2, pretty clearly a manufactured home.)

It works both ways. As a wimpy native Californian, I don&#039;t see how anyone can live through the winters in the Northeast &amp; Midwest... and yet, you do. The answer here is: (a) you move further out--e.g., my wife&#039;s niece bought a good-size recently-built house for $175K in Oakdale, which is about 60 miles east, (b) you have two salaries, (c) precious few of us have &quot;vacation homes&quot; (or need them), (d) or some other mechanism. Fact is, all of the cities I&#039;ve mentioned are in the West Bay, an unusually expensive part of California. 

My main point was that &quot;You can&#039;t buy anything for less than $700,000&quot; is sheer nonsense: It overstates the situation even in the more expensive areas. Not the *most* expensive areas... It&#039;s like saying that you can&#039;t buy a decent house in New York for less than $1 million, which might be true for Midtown Manhattan but is absurd for, say, Potsdam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there are places for under $100/sqft, in Daly City at least (which is typically cheaper than either South San Francisco or San Bruno, and still closer than SF itself)&#8211;but they&#8217;re either foreclosures or manufactured homes/mobile homes. (E.g., here&#8217;s one for $114,000, a 1,248-sqft 2&#038;2, pretty clearly a manufactured home.)</p>
<p>It works both ways. As a wimpy native Californian, I don&#8217;t see how anyone can live through the winters in the Northeast &#038; Midwest&#8230; and yet, you do. The answer here is: (a) you move further out&#8211;e.g., my wife&#8217;s niece bought a good-size recently-built house for $175K in Oakdale, which is about 60 miles east, (b) you have two salaries, (c) precious few of us have &#8220;vacation homes&#8221; (or need them), (d) or some other mechanism. Fact is, all of the cities I&#8217;ve mentioned are in the West Bay, an unusually expensive part of California. </p>
<p>My main point was that &#8220;You can&#8217;t buy anything for less than $700,000&#8243; is sheer nonsense: It overstates the situation even in the more expensive areas. Not the *most* expensive areas&#8230; It&#8217;s like saying that you can&#8217;t buy a decent house in New York for less than $1 million, which might be true for Midtown Manhattan but is absurd for, say, Potsdam.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 02:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still don&#039;t understand how anyone can live there. $100/sqft is high around here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t understand how anyone can live there. $100/sqft is high around here.</p>
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