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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2009/10/not-giving-credit-where-credit-is-due/comment-page-1/#comment-39973</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessamyn: Is it possible that, back when you started using WordPress, the available templates didn&#039;t include either of the two typical identifiers (one in sidebar, one in footer)? Or that only the sidebar link was typical, sidebars being much more likely to be massively modified?

All idle conjecture, to be sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessamyn: Is it possible that, back when you started using WordPress, the available templates didn&#8217;t include either of the two typical identifiers (one in sidebar, one in footer)? Or that only the sidebar link was typical, sidebars being much more likely to be massively modified?</p>
<p>All idle conjecture, to be sure.</p>
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		<title>By: jessamyn</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2009/10/not-giving-credit-where-credit-is-due/comment-page-1/#comment-39963</link>
		<dc:creator>jessamyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My theme isn&#039;t handmade, by the way. I don&#039;t feel like I would have removed a credit footer, but I could be mixed up about that. It&#039;s been a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My theme isn&#8217;t handmade, by the way. I don&#8217;t feel like I would have removed a credit footer, but I could be mixed up about that. It&#8217;s been a while.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2009/10/not-giving-credit-where-credit-is-due/comment-page-1/#comment-39957</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: Depends what you mean by &quot;credit.&quot; Seven liblogs are clearly built using Drupal--and I think more than half of them use the Drupal favicon, which is certainly a form of credit.

But I don&#039;t really disagree with your final sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: Depends what you mean by &#8220;credit.&#8221; Seven liblogs are clearly built using Drupal&#8211;and I think more than half of them use the Drupal favicon, which is certainly a form of credit.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t really disagree with your final sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lawson</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2009/10/not-giving-credit-where-credit-is-due/comment-page-1/#comment-39953</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beating a dead horse, just because I can:

Drupal is similar to WordPress in that it is free, damn good, open source, etc. It&#039;s apparently good enough for some pretty &lt;a href=&quot;http://buytaert.net/tag/drupal-sites&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;high-profile sites&lt;/a&gt;. I bet the number of those sites that credit Drupal rounds down to zero.

Because the people who are reading your site for its content (or using it to shop or whatever) simply don&#039;t care what software it is running. For blogs it makes a bit more sense because blogs are often read by other bloggers. But if someone said &quot;I took it off because who cares?&quot; I wouldn&#039;t argue with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beating a dead horse, just because I can:</p>
<p>Drupal is similar to WordPress in that it is free, damn good, open source, etc. It&#8217;s apparently good enough for some pretty <a href="http://buytaert.net/tag/drupal-sites" rel="nofollow">high-profile sites</a>. I bet the number of those sites that credit Drupal rounds down to zero.</p>
<p>Because the people who are reading your site for its content (or using it to shop or whatever) simply don&#8217;t care what software it is running. For blogs it makes a bit more sense because blogs are often read by other bloggers. But if someone said &#8220;I took it off because who cares?&#8221; I wouldn&#8217;t argue with them.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2009/10/not-giving-credit-where-credit-is-due/comment-page-1/#comment-39914</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett: I suspect they do--but I don&#039;t think I&#039;m likely to do such a survey, for a couple of reasons:

1. I intentionally didn&#039;t keep a separate list--once I&#039;d gone through and rechecked the &quot;u&quot; cases, I sorted everything into one list. So, to do such a survey, I&#039;d have to go back through more than two hundred blogs, rechecking presence of WordPress identification. Which isn&#039;t a huge amount of work, but...

2. I don&#039;t believe the topic is major enough to justify the couple of hours the first step would take and the hour or more that preparing the email list, or sending each one an individual note, would take. 

Sorry if it sounds as though I&#039;m begging off doing additional work, but my track record on reward for effort is getting so consistently close to zero that, well, yes, I&#039;m begging off doing additional work. I don&#039;t think the results would be worth the effort. I thought this was an interesting curiosity, and very little more than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett: I suspect they do&#8211;but I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m likely to do such a survey, for a couple of reasons:</p>
<p>1. I intentionally didn&#8217;t keep a separate list&#8211;once I&#8217;d gone through and rechecked the &#8220;u&#8221; cases, I sorted everything into one list. So, to do such a survey, I&#8217;d have to go back through more than two hundred blogs, rechecking presence of WordPress identification. Which isn&#8217;t a huge amount of work, but&#8230;</p>
<p>2. I don&#8217;t believe the topic is major enough to justify the couple of hours the first step would take and the hour or more that preparing the email list, or sending each one an individual note, would take. </p>
<p>Sorry if it sounds as though I&#8217;m begging off doing additional work, but my track record on reward for effort is getting so consistently close to zero that, well, yes, I&#8217;m begging off doing additional work. I don&#8217;t think the results would be worth the effort. I thought this was an interesting curiosity, and very little more than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bonfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Bonfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post.

Do all the folks who don&#039;t credit WordPress, but are still publishing, have a contact form or email address? I wonder if they&#039;d agree to answer a short Wufoo survey for you. It would be interesting to see why they&#039;ve chosen not to credit WordPress in an obvious way.

Interesting because I hope the whole handmade theme/no explicit credit for WordPress thing is just coincidence. I&#039;m not sure why someone wouldn&#039;t credit WordPress just because they use a handmade theme.  Back when the earth was new and we all had static home pages, making your own theme was synonymous with making your own website. That&#039;s no longer the case. The nice folks from WordPress happen to make it pretty easy to skin their software (either with your own markup or with a readymade theme), but what the project focuses on is software, not skins.

For what it&#039;s worth, I think it&#039;s important to credit WordPress. I don&#039;t think it matters if you do it in a footer or on an About page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post.</p>
<p>Do all the folks who don&#8217;t credit WordPress, but are still publishing, have a contact form or email address? I wonder if they&#8217;d agree to answer a short Wufoo survey for you. It would be interesting to see why they&#8217;ve chosen not to credit WordPress in an obvious way.</p>
<p>Interesting because I hope the whole handmade theme/no explicit credit for WordPress thing is just coincidence. I&#8217;m not sure why someone wouldn&#8217;t credit WordPress just because they use a handmade theme.  Back when the earth was new and we all had static home pages, making your own theme was synonymous with making your own website. That&#8217;s no longer the case. The nice folks from WordPress happen to make it pretty easy to skin their software (either with your own markup or with a readymade theme), but what the project focuses on is software, not skins.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I think it&#8217;s important to credit WordPress. I don&#8217;t think it matters if you do it in a footer or on an About page.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2009/10/not-giving-credit-where-credit-is-due/comment-page-1/#comment-39910</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessamyn, Steve--those are both good answers. (Jessamyn: Indeed, looking at page source revealed wordpress almost immediately--if it didn&#039;t, I left the blog as &quot;u.&quot;)

I&#039;d guess that two-thirds of the 29 are adaptations of standard templates, close enough so that I would have said &quot;That&#039;s a WordPress blog&quot; just by the appearance. Those are the ones I find particularly interesting--and particularly ones, say, that left in the &quot;Meta&quot; sidebar heading, but excised the WordPress link. For the other group, yes, it makes sense that if you&#039;ve built your theme from scratch, you wouldn&#039;t go out of your way to include a credit line.

This isn&#039;t a big deal, of course--WordPress certainly doesn&#039;t require or specifically ask for credit. I just found it interesting--particularly, as noted, in the cases where the template doesn&#039;t appear handmade and the excision had to be done deliberately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessamyn, Steve&#8211;those are both good answers. (Jessamyn: Indeed, looking at page source revealed wordpress almost immediately&#8211;if it didn&#8217;t, I left the blog as &#8220;u.&#8221;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d guess that two-thirds of the 29 are adaptations of standard templates, close enough so that I would have said &#8220;That&#8217;s a WordPress blog&#8221; just by the appearance. Those are the ones I find particularly interesting&#8211;and particularly ones, say, that left in the &#8220;Meta&#8221; sidebar heading, but excised the WordPress link. For the other group, yes, it makes sense that if you&#8217;ve built your theme from scratch, you wouldn&#8217;t go out of your way to include a credit line.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a big deal, of course&#8211;WordPress certainly doesn&#8217;t require or specifically ask for credit. I just found it interesting&#8211;particularly, as noted, in the cases where the template doesn&#8217;t appear handmade and the excision had to be done deliberately.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lawson</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2009/10/not-giving-credit-where-credit-is-due/comment-page-1/#comment-39902</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 09:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also find it odd if someone took an existing theme and removed only the WordPress credit line. I&#039;m wondering if most of the examples you found are handmade themes  (like mine and maybe Jessamyn&#039;s) or themes where someone has axed a section of the sidebar or footer that just happened to contain the WordPress link.
							P.S. - Sorry, forgot to tell you great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also find it odd if someone took an existing theme and removed only the WordPress credit line. I&#8217;m wondering if most of the examples you found are handmade themes  (like mine and maybe Jessamyn&#8217;s) or themes where someone has axed a section of the sidebar or footer that just happened to contain the WordPress link.<br />
							P.S. &#8211; Sorry, forgot to tell you great post!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lawson</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2009/10/not-giving-credit-where-credit-is-due/comment-page-1/#comment-39895</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 03:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jessamyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessamyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you counting cases where people mention the software on their About page? My theme doesn&#039;t say wordpress anywhere on the main page, but it&#039;s readily apparent if you look at the source, look at the URL structure or look at the About page. I guess I&#039;ve never seen any reason to put a credit line on the main page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you counting cases where people mention the software on their About page? My theme doesn&#8217;t say wordpress anywhere on the main page, but it&#8217;s readily apparent if you look at the source, look at the URL structure or look at the About page. I guess I&#8217;ve never seen any reason to put a credit line on the main page.</p>
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