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	<title>Comments on: &#8230;with the hi-def TV behind the bar showing a Blu-ray movie&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: russellfrost</title>
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		<dc:creator>russellfrost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 11:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Inevitable can be a difficult word.  It&#039;s a sword that cuts several ways.

Extend the graph of vinyl sales back just a little beyond the convenient of 1991 and it&#039;s clear where that format is headed.  Go back just one year, to 1990, and total vinyl LP sales were 38 million.  Getting excited about 1.88 million vinyl LP sales is something, relative to a specific time period but it&#039;s an awfully tiny share of the market.  As you said, &quot;small business&quot;.  Add in the fact that those 1.88 million pieces were shared between a dozen or more companies and then ponder that the two million piece sales mark was a respectable hit for a single title from one artist but by no means a blockbuster a mere twenty years ago and you have, perhaps, some better perspective on vinyl sales.  Keep in mind that even during the early boom years of the CD vinyl sales were in the hundreds of millions.  In the three years from 2005 to 2008, digital download sales went from (as charted by the RIAA) zero to over 50 million.

Vinyl is cool and there is a case to be made for the album format as it relates to some music.  The idea however that vinyl is resurgent in any real sense of the word is silly.  At least at this point and I would tend to think, forever.  LPs died for a reason and that reason is usually ignored by the more romantic amongst us who are either fans of the medium or simply misinformed.  It doesn&#039;t surprise me that maybe 50,000 or 60,000 people still buy vinyl but again, that&#039;s very small potatoes in the context of the US market.

And make no mistake the public walked away from the vinyl LP format because the vast majority of people felt they were served better by different technology.  And in most senses, I would tend to agree with them.

So when discussing perceptions versus reality I would gently suggest that perhaps the vinyl LP example did not demonstrate what you intended.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inevitable can be a difficult word.  It&#8217;s a sword that cuts several ways.</p>
<p>Extend the graph of vinyl sales back just a little beyond the convenient of 1991 and it&#8217;s clear where that format is headed.  Go back just one year, to 1990, and total vinyl LP sales were 38 million.  Getting excited about 1.88 million vinyl LP sales is something, relative to a specific time period but it&#8217;s an awfully tiny share of the market.  As you said, &#8220;small business&#8221;.  Add in the fact that those 1.88 million pieces were shared between a dozen or more companies and then ponder that the two million piece sales mark was a respectable hit for a single title from one artist but by no means a blockbuster a mere twenty years ago and you have, perhaps, some better perspective on vinyl sales.  Keep in mind that even during the early boom years of the CD vinyl sales were in the hundreds of millions.  In the three years from 2005 to 2008, digital download sales went from (as charted by the RIAA) zero to over 50 million.</p>
<p>Vinyl is cool and there is a case to be made for the album format as it relates to some music.  The idea however that vinyl is resurgent in any real sense of the word is silly.  At least at this point and I would tend to think, forever.  LPs died for a reason and that reason is usually ignored by the more romantic amongst us who are either fans of the medium or simply misinformed.  It doesn&#8217;t surprise me that maybe 50,000 or 60,000 people still buy vinyl but again, that&#8217;s very small potatoes in the context of the US market.</p>
<p>And make no mistake the public walked away from the vinyl LP format because the vast majority of people felt they were served better by different technology.  And in most senses, I would tend to agree with them.</p>
<p>So when discussing perceptions versus reality I would gently suggest that perhaps the vinyl LP example did not demonstrate what you intended.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Kaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 14:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be fair, there&#039;s also skepticism that Blu-Ray won&#039;t be replaced by yet another format in short order, while Kindles can read a variety of file formats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, there&#8217;s also skepticism that Blu-Ray won&#8217;t be replaced by yet another format in short order, while Kindles can read a variety of file formats.</p>
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		<title>By: El Aura</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Aura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 13:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blu-ray probably will not be as successful (ie, reaching the same market share) as the DVD because DVDs are in a sense &#039;good enough&#039; and because of the competition from downloads. That is what is compared against, its predecessor. 
The predecessor for the Kindle are some earlier Sony eBook devices. 

Any judgement or classification needs a benchmark.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blu-ray probably will not be as successful (ie, reaching the same market share) as the DVD because DVDs are in a sense &#8216;good enough&#8217; and because of the competition from downloads. That is what is compared against, its predecessor.<br />
The predecessor for the Kindle are some earlier Sony eBook devices. </p>
<p>Any judgement or classification needs a benchmark.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GeekChic: Perfectly understandable. The Twitterati make lots of noise, particularly online--and there&#039;s a deep-seated, you could almost say &quot;Wired-in&quot; (capitalization fully intentional) bias among many commentators toward &quot;everything downloadable&quot; without regard to consequences. (That magic word &quot;inevitable&quot; shows up a lot as well.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GeekChic: Perfectly understandable. The Twitterati make lots of noise, particularly online&#8211;and there&#8217;s a deep-seated, you could almost say &#8220;Wired-in&#8221; (capitalization fully intentional) bias among many commentators toward &#8220;everything downloadable&#8221; without regard to consequences. (That magic word &#8220;inevitable&#8221; shows up a lot as well.)</p>
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		<title>By: GeekChic</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeekChic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 04:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting! I hear a great deal about Twitter and its variants whereas our recent patron survey showed almost no interest in Blu-Ray on the part of our public - so that&#039;s where my mistake came from.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting! I hear a great deal about Twitter and its variants whereas our recent patron survey showed almost no interest in Blu-Ray on the part of our public &#8211; so that&#8217;s where my mistake came from.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 00:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It will. I wonder why patrons are pushing back on $25-$30 Blu-rays--I mean, $5 is barely &quot;more expensive!&quot; But hey, whatever. I&#039;m not surprised several libraries prefer to focus on downloadable digital media. Maybe that will work out fine, but, well, when it comes to libraries, circulation, DRM and downloadable digital, &quot;Be careful what you wish for&quot; is not the worst advice in the world. 

I don&#039;t have much of a horse in this race. I do think &quot;downloadable everything&quot; is being wildly oversold, and that &quot;incorporeal is always better&quot; is even more oversold--I&#039;d say &quot;digital is always better,&quot; but Blu-ray is just as digital as downloads. If I&#039;m wrong about the likely survival and moderate success of Blu-ray, I&#039;m wrong; I&#039;ve been wrong before.

Who knows? Maybe American broadband will magically, suddenly increase in speed by a factor of 10 and the newly-enlightened cable and other providers won&#039;t attempt to gouge on price or control usage, and providers of digital data will abandon DRM. (But can&#039;t you catch flu from those flocks of pigs flying overhead?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will. I wonder why patrons are pushing back on $25-$30 Blu-rays&#8211;I mean, $5 is barely &#8220;more expensive!&#8221; But hey, whatever. I&#8217;m not surprised several libraries prefer to focus on downloadable digital media. Maybe that will work out fine, but, well, when it comes to libraries, circulation, DRM and downloadable digital, &#8220;Be careful what you wish for&#8221; is not the worst advice in the world. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have much of a horse in this race. I do think &#8220;downloadable everything&#8221; is being wildly oversold, and that &#8220;incorporeal is always better&#8221; is even more oversold&#8211;I&#8217;d say &#8220;digital is always better,&#8221; but Blu-ray is just as digital as downloads. If I&#8217;m wrong about the likely survival and moderate success of Blu-ray, I&#8217;m wrong; I&#8217;ve been wrong before.</p>
<p>Who knows? Maybe American broadband will magically, suddenly increase in speed by a factor of 10 and the newly-enlightened cable and other providers won&#8217;t attempt to gouge on price or control usage, and providers of digital data will abandon DRM. (But can&#8217;t you catch flu from those flocks of pigs flying overhead?)</p>
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		<title>By: Abigail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abigail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your timing on this is interesting, I put a query on Publib a few days ago about who was collecting mp3 cds and Blu-Ray.  I didn&#039;t get a high number of responses (less than a dozen) but of the libraries I heard from only one mentioned collecting Blu-Ray and that librarian said patrons had pushed back about where the library was getting money for the more expensive format.  Three had mp3 cds but at least one mentioned patron frustration that their car and home players wouldn&#039;t take them.  We&#039;re not purchasing either format just yet.  

Several libraries responded that they prefer to focus on downloadable digital media rather than the new disc formats.  Will be interesting to follow over the next two-five years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your timing on this is interesting, I put a query on Publib a few days ago about who was collecting mp3 cds and Blu-Ray.  I didn&#8217;t get a high number of responses (less than a dozen) but of the libraries I heard from only one mentioned collecting Blu-Ray and that librarian said patrons had pushed back about where the library was getting money for the more expensive format.  Three had mp3 cds but at least one mentioned patron frustration that their car and home players wouldn&#8217;t take them.  We&#8217;re not purchasing either format just yet.  </p>
<p>Several libraries responded that they prefer to focus on downloadable digital media rather than the new disc formats.  Will be interesting to follow over the next two-five years.</p>
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