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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/12/generalization-and-pdfs/comment-page-1/#comment-35131</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slightly unrelated, but I accidentally discovered a Word2007 feature--that might have been there in earlier versions, but I don&#039;t think so.

I already knew Word would start displaying two pages at a time if you dropped the view percentage enough for them to fit--which isn&#039;t as useful as it might be, because it&#039;s showing odd:even pairs rather than the even:odd pairs you&#039;d have in a printed document. (That is, you&#039;ll see pages 1&amp;2 together, not 2&amp;3--but 2&amp;3 are facing pages in any typical two-sided document.)

What I hadn&#039;t seen before: If you keep dropping the view percentage, Word goes to a multipage view with more than two pages at a time, and keeps adding to that. At 20% (which gives a good large thumbnail showing overall layout, but no readable text), I get 28 pages (7 across, 4 down) on a 1280x1024 screen... Neat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly unrelated, but I accidentally discovered a Word2007 feature&#8211;that might have been there in earlier versions, but I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>I already knew Word would start displaying two pages at a time if you dropped the view percentage enough for them to fit&#8211;which isn&#8217;t as useful as it might be, because it&#8217;s showing odd:even pairs rather than the even:odd pairs you&#8217;d have in a printed document. (That is, you&#8217;ll see pages 1&#038;2 together, not 2&#038;3&#8211;but 2&#038;3 are facing pages in any typical two-sided document.)</p>
<p>What I hadn&#8217;t seen before: If you keep dropping the view percentage, Word goes to a multipage view with more than two pages at a time, and keeps adding to that. At 20% (which gives a good large thumbnail showing overall layout, but no readable text), I get 28 pages (7 across, 4 down) on a 1280&#215;1024 screen&#8230; Neat.</p>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/12/generalization-and-pdfs/comment-page-1/#comment-35130</link>
		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[walt, i took a fresh look at adobe reader and
found yet another nice surprise, namely that
it now supports a 2-up interface in full-screen.

before, full-screen mode used to be 1-page,
even if you&#039;d specified 2-up mode instead...

this finally brings the viewer to a usable state!

-bowerbird]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>walt, i took a fresh look at adobe reader and<br />
found yet another nice surprise, namely that<br />
it now supports a 2-up interface in full-screen.</p>
<p>before, full-screen mode used to be 1-page,<br />
even if you&#8217;d specified 2-up mode instead&#8230;</p>
<p>this finally brings the viewer to a usable state!</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/12/generalization-and-pdfs/comment-page-1/#comment-35018</link>
		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i wasn&#039;t suggesting you should &quot;back down&quot;.

just telling where the statement came from.
it&#039;s probably something someone has been
saying for years and years, since it had been
accurate for a period of years, until recently.

and considering what most people use it for,
the adobe reader has indeed been slow, and 
bloated too, and that hasn&#039;t really changed...
(search functionality is notoriously lethargic.)

what _has_ changed recently is their move to
the flash-based &quot;digital editions&quot; reader-app,
which has not shown the rock-solid stability
that the adobe viewer has traditionally had...
and it might be a while before they get it back,
since flash is a technology which they bought,
rather than one they&#039;ve birthed and nurtured.

still, with the big screens on our desks now,
the frozen-format of the .pdf isn&#039;t nearly as
irritating as it once was.  that&#039;s the good news.

-bowerbird]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wasn&#8217;t suggesting you should &#8220;back down&#8221;.</p>
<p>just telling where the statement came from.<br />
it&#8217;s probably something someone has been<br />
saying for years and years, since it had been<br />
accurate for a period of years, until recently.</p>
<p>and considering what most people use it for,<br />
the adobe reader has indeed been slow, and<br />
bloated too, and that hasn&#8217;t really changed&#8230;<br />
(search functionality is notoriously lethargic.)</p>
<p>what _has_ changed recently is their move to<br />
the flash-based &#8220;digital editions&#8221; reader-app,<br />
which has not shown the rock-solid stability<br />
that the adobe viewer has traditionally had&#8230;<br />
and it might be a while before they get it back,<br />
since flash is a technology which they bought,<br />
rather than one they&#8217;ve birthed and nurtured.</p>
<p>still, with the big screens on our desks now,<br />
the frozen-format of the .pdf isn&#8217;t nearly as<br />
irritating as it once was.  that&#8217;s the good news.</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/12/generalization-and-pdfs/comment-page-1/#comment-35017</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, since I don&#039;t reference either the blog or the comment, I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ll back down on what I saw as both overgeneralization or an anti-pdf sentiment. I&#039;ve certainly seen both often enough in reference to PDF, along with &quot;bloated&quot; and &quot;slow&quot; being applied LONG after Adobe came out with fast versions of Reader.

Still, I&#039;ll accept the notion that PDFs were historically less flexible than they are now (and can certainly be made less flexible)--and there&#039;s no question that I use PDF in order to maintain that asset, that is, the display I intended. (People can override aspects of that display, but must do so by choice.) 

There&#039;s also no question that, in some people&#039;s minds, it&#039;s inappropriate for the author or publisher to maintain control of typography and layout--or even to care about anything but the text itself. I&#039;ve seen that come through loud and clear in any number of cases...although, in the case of the unlabeled comment on the unlabeled blog post, I don&#039;t believe that&#039;s true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since I don&#8217;t reference either the blog or the comment, I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ll back down on what I saw as both overgeneralization or an anti-pdf sentiment. I&#8217;ve certainly seen both often enough in reference to PDF, along with &#8220;bloated&#8221; and &#8220;slow&#8221; being applied LONG after Adobe came out with fast versions of Reader.</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;ll accept the notion that PDFs were historically less flexible than they are now (and can certainly be made less flexible)&#8211;and there&#8217;s no question that I use PDF in order to maintain that asset, that is, the display I intended. (People can override aspects of that display, but must do so by choice.) </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also no question that, in some people&#8217;s minds, it&#8217;s inappropriate for the author or publisher to maintain control of typography and layout&#8211;or even to care about anything but the text itself. I&#8217;ve seen that come through loud and clear in any number of cases&#8230;although, in the case of the unlabeled comment on the unlabeled blog post, I don&#8217;t believe that&#8217;s true.</p>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/12/generalization-and-pdfs/comment-page-1/#comment-35015</link>
		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the current version of the adobe viewer-app
does indeed do a good job of reflowing text.

previous versions did not, not unless the .pdf
was &quot;tagged&quot; by its creator, which was rare...

adobe doesn&#039;t really tout this new capability,
however, since it plays against their &quot;asset&quot;
that a .pdf displays as the author intended...

but the statement wasn&#039;t &quot;another example of
sloppy generalization&quot;, nor &quot;anti-pdf&quot;, since it
was based on years and years of experience,
which has only recently become &quot;out-dated&quot;...

-bowerbird]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the current version of the adobe viewer-app<br />
does indeed do a good job of reflowing text.</p>
<p>previous versions did not, not unless the .pdf<br />
was &#8220;tagged&#8221; by its creator, which was rare&#8230;</p>
<p>adobe doesn&#8217;t really tout this new capability,<br />
however, since it plays against their &#8220;asset&#8221;<br />
that a .pdf displays as the author intended&#8230;</p>
<p>but the statement wasn&#8217;t &#8220;another example of<br />
sloppy generalization&#8221;, nor &#8220;anti-pdf&#8221;, since it<br />
was based on years and years of experience,<br />
which has only recently become &#8220;out-dated&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
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