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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/10/some-mildly-annoyed-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-34266</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link Walt. Great post. I think everyone is getting really bent out of shape for no reason. 

Did anyone ever think that the Annoyed Librarian was ALREADY a paid writer for Library Journal? (lot&#039;s of suspects there).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Walt. Great post. I think everyone is getting really bent out of shape for no reason. </p>
<p>Did anyone ever think that the Annoyed Librarian was ALREADY a paid writer for Library Journal? (lot&#8217;s of suspects there).</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/10/some-mildly-annoyed-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-34257</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I guess I&#039;m thinking that it&#039;s not about whether it should make a difference. I agree with you there. It shouldn&#039;t and, for me, it really doesn&#039;t. My suspicion though is that someone who is new to the library lit will regard an LJ blog differently than an independent blog. I&#039;m pretty sure that the person I was in library school would have. 

I would also note that Library Stuff, despite its header, looks far more independent and, to the non-critical eye, might not even be recognizable as an ITI-sponsored blog. AL, on the other hand, is clearly a part of the LJ site now. Feels much different to me. But LS has been part of ITI so long that perhaps I&#039;m the one with non-critical eye.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I guess I&#8217;m thinking that it&#8217;s not about whether it should make a difference. I agree with you there. It shouldn&#8217;t and, for me, it really doesn&#8217;t. My suspicion though is that someone who is new to the library lit will regard an LJ blog differently than an independent blog. I&#8217;m pretty sure that the person I was in library school would have. </p>
<p>I would also note that Library Stuff, despite its header, looks far more independent and, to the non-critical eye, might not even be recognizable as an ITI-sponsored blog. AL, on the other hand, is clearly a part of the LJ site now. Feels much different to me. But LS has been part of ITI so long that perhaps I&#8217;m the one with non-critical eye.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/10/some-mildly-annoyed-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-34256</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, all: I almost didn&#039;t write this post, but I&#039;m now glad I did. 

Greg: I&#039;m not sure what to say, but here&#039;s an attempt...

No, in fact, I don&#039;t believe that paid status adds credibility to AL&#039;s opinions any more than Library Stuff&#039;s sponsored status adds credibility to Cohen&#039;s comments. I don&#039;t believe Library Stuff posts have more credibility than, say, Information Wants to be Free or LibrarianInBlack or Walt at Random or Open Space, none of which happen to be sponsored (as far as I know). Nor do I believe Roy Tennant&#039;s blog or John Berry&#039;s blog have more credibility than any of those I&#039;ve named.

To anybody who&#039;s giving credence to any liblogs, credibility comes from what&#039;s being said and from the author&#039;s track record. Pseudonymous blogs have to rely entirely on their internal record, since they can&#039;t gain credibility from authors&#039; track records. &quot;Credence&quot; and credibility are tricky things here--unless you&#039;re dealing with factual issues, which AL rarely does. We&#039;re talking gravitas or importance, and there I really don&#039;t believe LJ&#039;s sponsorship does (or at least should) make much difference. 

As for the analogy: Yes, if you&#039;re talking about &quot;a random blogger&quot;--and I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s such a good thing. 

Would a list of Movers and Shakers generated and posted by, say, Jessamyn West or Meredith Farkas or Steven Bell (all cases where they&#039;d probably state their methodology and, I believe, have solidly established their credibility) have importance similar to one published by LJ? Maybe not--but I&#039;m not entirely clear why it shouldn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, all: I almost didn&#8217;t write this post, but I&#8217;m now glad I did. </p>
<p>Greg: I&#8217;m not sure what to say, but here&#8217;s an attempt&#8230;</p>
<p>No, in fact, I don&#8217;t believe that paid status adds credibility to AL&#8217;s opinions any more than Library Stuff&#8217;s sponsored status adds credibility to Cohen&#8217;s comments. I don&#8217;t believe Library Stuff posts have more credibility than, say, Information Wants to be Free or LibrarianInBlack or Walt at Random or Open Space, none of which happen to be sponsored (as far as I know). Nor do I believe Roy Tennant&#8217;s blog or John Berry&#8217;s blog have more credibility than any of those I&#8217;ve named.</p>
<p>To anybody who&#8217;s giving credence to any liblogs, credibility comes from what&#8217;s being said and from the author&#8217;s track record. Pseudonymous blogs have to rely entirely on their internal record, since they can&#8217;t gain credibility from authors&#8217; track records. &#8220;Credence&#8221; and credibility are tricky things here&#8211;unless you&#8217;re dealing with factual issues, which AL rarely does. We&#8217;re talking gravitas or importance, and there I really don&#8217;t believe LJ&#8217;s sponsorship does (or at least should) make much difference. </p>
<p>As for the analogy: Yes, if you&#8217;re talking about &#8220;a random blogger&#8221;&#8211;and I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s such a good thing. </p>
<p>Would a list of Movers and Shakers generated and posted by, say, Jessamyn West or Meredith Farkas or Steven Bell (all cases where they&#8217;d probably state their methodology and, I believe, have solidly established their credibility) have importance similar to one published by LJ? Maybe not&#8211;but I&#8217;m not entirely clear why it shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/10/some-mildly-annoyed-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-34255</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walt, good breakdown on the hype. I concur with most of what you&#039;re saying, especially about it being, on the whole, a relatively unimportant topic. The one place I might disagree is whether being on LJ gives the AL posts added weight. 

The M&amp;S analogy isn&#039;t quite right to me. To me, it&#039;s not that being named a Mover and Shaker might make the designee more important. It&#039;s that a Movers and Shakers list produced by LJ has more weight than a Movers and Shakers list that a random blogger generates and posts on their blog. 

LJ is a leading publication in our field. If being on their payroll doesn&#039;t lend some form of credibility to an author, I&#039;m not sure what would. It&#039;s not going to change my perspective, as someone already well-familiar with the AL, but I think a newcomer might indeed give more credence to an LJ-published blogger than your average Blogspot blog. Maybe I&#039;m wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt, good breakdown on the hype. I concur with most of what you&#8217;re saying, especially about it being, on the whole, a relatively unimportant topic. The one place I might disagree is whether being on LJ gives the AL posts added weight. </p>
<p>The M&amp;S analogy isn&#8217;t quite right to me. To me, it&#8217;s not that being named a Mover and Shaker might make the designee more important. It&#8217;s that a Movers and Shakers list produced by LJ has more weight than a Movers and Shakers list that a random blogger generates and posts on their blog. </p>
<p>LJ is a leading publication in our field. If being on their payroll doesn&#8217;t lend some form of credibility to an author, I&#8217;m not sure what would. It&#8217;s not going to change my perspective, as someone already well-familiar with the AL, but I think a newcomer might indeed give more credence to an LJ-published blogger than your average Blogspot blog. Maybe I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thankyou, Walt. An excellent and sensible post on the matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou, Walt. An excellent and sensible post on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/10/some-mildly-annoyed-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-34250</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You do pretty much express my thoughts: if people do not like it, or it is just not their cup of tea, then don&#039;t read it. I did go over and look at her (?) blog on LJ, and at least one commenter griped about having to see some worthless text and wasting the time to read it. My thought was: then why did you read it in the first place, then waste the time to point it out? Life would be so much easier if people took your advice. 

As always, best, and keep on blogging.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do pretty much express my thoughts: if people do not like it, or it is just not their cup of tea, then don&#8217;t read it. I did go over and look at her (?) blog on LJ, and at least one commenter griped about having to see some worthless text and wasting the time to read it. My thought was: then why did you read it in the first place, then waste the time to point it out? Life would be so much easier if people took your advice. </p>
<p>As always, best, and keep on blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: LizB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LizB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was going to post on AL being on LJ, but you&#039;ve made almost all the points I was going to make. I also think  any organization that just agrees with each other to be unhealthy; so I think those who disagree need a platform.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to post on AL being on LJ, but you&#8217;ve made almost all the points I was going to make. I also think  any organization that just agrees with each other to be unhealthy; so I think those who disagree need a platform.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Feed URL? A working feed URL for an LJ/SLJ blog? I&#039;ve pretty much given up on such fantasies...

Yeah, I sent email to AL noting that they/he/it/she was/were now on what may be the world&#039;s worst blog/comment site. Oh well, if I ever do another Liblog Landscape, it makes it easier: It&#039;s pretty much impossible to get metrics for LJ/SLJ blogs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feed URL? A working feed URL for an LJ/SLJ blog? I&#8217;ve pretty much given up on such fantasies&#8230;</p>
<p>Yeah, I sent email to AL noting that they/he/it/she was/were now on what may be the world&#8217;s worst blog/comment site. Oh well, if I ever do another Liblog Landscape, it makes it easier: It&#8217;s pretty much impossible to get metrics for LJ/SLJ blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lawson</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/10/some-mildly-annoyed-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-34246</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Case in point: they messed up the feed url on their lame page of feeds. AUTODISCOVERY anyone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Case in point: they messed up the feed url on their lame page of feeds. AUTODISCOVERY anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lawson</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/10/some-mildly-annoyed-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-34245</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My thoughts are very similar to yours. On the one hand it seems an odd move on  LJ&#039;s part, because the AL can be so abrasive. On the other hand, Reed Elsevier Inc. isn&#039;t in the Library Journal business just for fun. They obviously believe that the Annoyed Librarian will bring in the pageviews.

On the one hand (third hand?) this is a great move for the Annoyed Librarian as he/she&#039;s now making money off the enterprise. The fourth hand, though, wonders why anyone would want to be published on that nightmare of a publishing platform that LJ calls a website. Sure, people are hitting it now, but I think readership is bound to fall off just because the site is so annoying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts are very similar to yours. On the one hand it seems an odd move on  LJ&#8217;s part, because the AL can be so abrasive. On the other hand, Reed Elsevier Inc. isn&#8217;t in the Library Journal business just for fun. They obviously believe that the Annoyed Librarian will bring in the pageviews.</p>
<p>On the one hand (third hand?) this is a great move for the Annoyed Librarian as he/she&#8217;s now making money off the enterprise. The fourth hand, though, wonders why anyone would want to be published on that nightmare of a publishing platform that LJ calls a website. Sure, people are hitting it now, but I think readership is bound to fall off just because the site is so annoying.</p>
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