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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/08/dear-firefox/comment-page-1/#comment-33869</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bowerbird: I get that...

I will say that this particular bug/issue/whatever has been around for quite a while.

Hmm. Much as I&#039;m loath to get too involved with one corporation, even if it is a hometown outfit, I do hear there&#039;s a new browser in town...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bowerbird: I get that&#8230;</p>
<p>I will say that this particular bug/issue/whatever has been around for quite a while.</p>
<p>Hmm. Much as I&#8217;m loath to get too involved with one corporation, even if it is a hometown outfit, I do hear there&#8217;s a new browser in town&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/08/dear-firefox/comment-page-1/#comment-33865</link>
		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;   but that means Firefox is unable 
&gt;   to consistently shut down properly, 

that&#039;s exactly what i&#039;m saying, yes.

what you are seeing is a crash, and
_not_ a quit that intends that dialog.


&gt;   when all youâ€™re asking it to do is 
&gt;   shut downâ€“no multiple tabs to be saved, 
&gt;   no files being loadedâ€¦

bugs can exist in a variety of forms,
including ones that act _consistently_,
even in places where a lay observer
might think &quot;nothing is being done&quot;...

those get found -- and fixed -- quickly.

-bowerbird]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;   but that means Firefox is unable<br />
&gt;   to consistently shut down properly, </p>
<p>that&#8217;s exactly what i&#8217;m saying, yes.</p>
<p>what you are seeing is a crash, and<br />
_not_ a quit that intends that dialog.</p>
<p>&gt;   when all youâ€™re asking it to do is<br />
&gt;   shut downâ€“no multiple tabs to be saved,<br />
&gt;   no files being loadedâ€¦</p>
<p>bugs can exist in a variety of forms,<br />
including ones that act _consistently_,<br />
even in places where a lay observer<br />
might think &#8220;nothing is being done&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>those get found &#8212; and fixed &#8212; quickly.</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/08/dear-firefox/comment-page-1/#comment-33832</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Firefox is my primary browser (I bring up IE about once a week to print off first pages of blog posts that don&#039;t print properly in Firefox, and once a month to check one financial site that doesn&#039;t work in Firefox)--but I&#039;m one of those who&#039;s not online all the time and who turns off my computer altogether if I&#039;m not using it. I&#039;ve never seen Firefox take more than a second or two to shut down, properly or &quot;crashwise.&quot;

On the other hand, there is a Vista curiosity...it always starts up pretty rapidly (I&#039;m guessing 45-60 seconds for startup to complete), and &lt;b&gt;usually&lt;/b&gt; shuts down in 30 seconds or less--but once in a while, even though the UI shuts down right away, it takes 2-3 minutes for the notebook&#039;s power light to go off. That&#039;s probably either cache updating or indexing...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firefox is my primary browser (I bring up IE about once a week to print off first pages of blog posts that don&#8217;t print properly in Firefox, and once a month to check one financial site that doesn&#8217;t work in Firefox)&#8211;but I&#8217;m one of those who&#8217;s not online all the time and who turns off my computer altogether if I&#8217;m not using it. I&#8217;ve never seen Firefox take more than a second or two to shut down, properly or &#8220;crashwise.&#8221;</p>
<p>On the other hand, there is a Vista curiosity&#8230;it always starts up pretty rapidly (I&#8217;m guessing 45-60 seconds for startup to complete), and <b>usually</b> shuts down in 30 seconds or less&#8211;but once in a while, even though the UI shuts down right away, it takes 2-3 minutes for the notebook&#8217;s power light to go off. That&#8217;s probably either cache updating or indexing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Murray</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/08/dear-firefox/comment-page-1/#comment-33796</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For what it&#039;s worth, I occasionally run into a problem with my CPU spikes to 100% when quitting Firefox.  It goes on for about five minutes, and then finally exits.  For me, Firefox usually runs for days on end and since it is my primary browser, it gets a lot of activity.  It is probably updating a cache or something in my case...

One thing to know about crash reports is that, according to the Mozilla knowledge base, they aren&#039;t acted on unless (extracted from the bottom of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_crashes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Firefox Crashes&lt;/a&gt; page):


	[you] post on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=38&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Firefox Support forum&lt;/a&gt; what steps cause Firefox to crash and your ... &lt;a href=&quot;http://kb.mozillazine.org//Breakpad#Viewing_reports&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Breakpad report ID&lt;/a&gt;. Those who read it may be able to look up your crash on &lt;a href=&quot;http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/talkback/fastfind.jsp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Talkback website&lt;/a&gt; and find an existing bug report or file a new one for you. 
	Also, if the crash you experience is common, it may be marked as a &quot;topcrasher&quot;, making it more likely to be fixed in the next release.


You can see the list of crash reports you&#039;ve submitted by putting &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;crashes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;about:crashes&lt;/a&gt;&quot; in the address bar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I occasionally run into a problem with my CPU spikes to 100% when quitting Firefox.  It goes on for about five minutes, and then finally exits.  For me, Firefox usually runs for days on end and since it is my primary browser, it gets a lot of activity.  It is probably updating a cache or something in my case&#8230;</p>
<p>One thing to know about crash reports is that, according to the Mozilla knowledge base, they aren&#8217;t acted on unless (extracted from the bottom of the <a href="http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_crashes" rel="nofollow">Firefox Crashes</a> page):</p>
<p>	[you] post on the <a href="http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=38" rel="nofollow">Firefox Support forum</a> what steps cause Firefox to crash and your &#8230; <a href="http://kb.mozillazine.org//Breakpad#Viewing_reports" rel="nofollow">Breakpad report ID</a>. Those who read it may be able to look up your crash on <a href="http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/talkback/fastfind.jsp" rel="nofollow">the Talkback website</a> and find an existing bug report or file a new one for you.<br />
	Also, if the crash you experience is common, it may be marked as a &#8220;topcrasher&#8221;, making it more likely to be fixed in the next release.</p>
<p>You can see the list of crash reports you&#8217;ve submitted by putting &#8220;<a href="crashes" rel="nofollow">about:crashes</a>&#8221; in the address bar.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/08/dear-firefox/comment-page-1/#comment-33779</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think so. Once, maybe. Dozens of times, no. Although I suppose you could say that Firefox crashed, in that it brought up a wholly pointless dialog box...but that means Firefox is unable to consistently shut down properly, when all you&#039;re asking it to do is shut down--no multiple tabs to be saved, no files being loaded...

And, based on Lazygal&#039;s comment, it appears I&#039;m not the only one...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think so. Once, maybe. Dozens of times, no. Although I suppose you could say that Firefox crashed, in that it brought up a wholly pointless dialog box&#8230;but that means Firefox is unable to consistently shut down properly, when all you&#8217;re asking it to do is shut down&#8211;no multiple tabs to be saved, no files being loaded&#8230;</p>
<p>And, based on Lazygal&#8217;s comment, it appears I&#8217;m not the only one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/08/dear-firefox/comment-page-1/#comment-33765</link>
		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[walt-

i&#039;d say that means the program did not terminate
in the proper manner, but rather (in fact) crashed.

probably not in a way that had any consequences,
since you were quitting anyway, but nonetheless...

-bowerbird]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>walt-</p>
<p>i&#8217;d say that means the program did not terminate<br />
in the proper manner, but rather (in fact) crashed.</p>
<p>probably not in a way that had any consequences,<br />
since you were quitting anyway, but nonetheless&#8230;</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
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		<title>By: Lazygal</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/08/dear-firefox/comment-page-1/#comment-33762</link>
		<dc:creator>Lazygal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t like that &quot;feature&quot; either, nor do I like the new way the Wonder/Magic/URL bar looks and works.  I&#039;ve not upgraded to 3.0 on my home laptop because it took me a week to upgrade/retrofit at work.  While I really hate the thought of IE, I may just have to switch...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like that &#8220;feature&#8221; either, nor do I like the new way the Wonder/Magic/URL bar looks and works.  I&#8217;ve not upgraded to 3.0 on my home laptop because it took me a week to upgrade/retrofit at work.  While I really hate the thought of IE, I may just have to switch&#8230;</p>
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