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	<title>Comments on: Cites &amp; Insights 8:7 available</title>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/06/cites-insights-87-available/comment-page-1/#comment-33022</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seth, 

Innumeracy is a bottomless well of source material...and the essay isn&#039;t rigorous by any means. I&#039;m acting as a naive searcher, without attempting to create a mental model other than an assumption that the search engine is acting in good faith. If, as you suggest, Google&#039;s just bringing back a subset and post-processing it, then there&#039;s literally no way to make meaningful comparisons--because you&#039;re just getting back some sample of a result whose size you can&#039;t rely on.

I&#039;m prepared for someone to say &quot;No, you don&#039;t understand this at all,&quot; and explain it--but if I don&#039;t understand it, then it&#039;s equally true that 99.9% of Google users have no idea what the numbers mean, since they typically go no further than the one, two, some level. In which case, I&#039;d have another article...or three.

Chalk it up to my misspent youth: I was supposed to be a math major when I entered college, and wound up in speech/rhetoric instead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth, </p>
<p>Innumeracy is a bottomless well of source material&#8230;and the essay isn&#8217;t rigorous by any means. I&#8217;m acting as a naive searcher, without attempting to create a mental model other than an assumption that the search engine is acting in good faith. If, as you suggest, Google&#8217;s just bringing back a subset and post-processing it, then there&#8217;s literally no way to make meaningful comparisons&#8211;because you&#8217;re just getting back some sample of a result whose size you can&#8217;t rely on.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m prepared for someone to say &#8220;No, you don&#8217;t understand this at all,&#8221; and explain it&#8211;but if I don&#8217;t understand it, then it&#8217;s equally true that 99.9% of Google users have no idea what the numbers mean, since they typically go no further than the one, two, some level. In which case, I&#8217;d have another article&#8230;or three.</p>
<p>Chalk it up to my misspent youth: I was supposed to be a math major when I entered college, and wound up in speech/rhetoric instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walt, kudos for taking on search engine result innumeracy (I&#039;ve given up on it), but my eyes glazed over trying to follow some of what you were saying, because it was unclear what sort of model of the process you were using.

I believe that Google retrieves around 1,000 results, and post-processes those items. After similarity and anti-spam, you may see less. A lot less (in fact, I conjecture a spam-overload caused the &quot;Google NACK&quot; incident of some years ago where Google would return NO results for some searches - because they were all spam!). That&#039;s why you end up at e.g. 604, instead of an exact 1,000.

The &quot;about&quot; number is a weird database-estimate that makes as much sense as a pinball score.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt, kudos for taking on search engine result innumeracy (I&#8217;ve given up on it), but my eyes glazed over trying to follow some of what you were saying, because it was unclear what sort of model of the process you were using.</p>
<p>I believe that Google retrieves around 1,000 results, and post-processes those items. After similarity and anti-spam, you may see less. A lot less (in fact, I conjecture a spam-overload caused the &#8220;Google NACK&#8221; incident of some years ago where Google would return NO results for some searches &#8211; because they were all spam!). That&#8217;s why you end up at e.g. 604, instead of an exact 1,000.</p>
<p>The &#8220;about&#8221; number is a weird database-estimate that makes as much sense as a pinball score.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/06/cites-insights-87-available/comment-page-1/#comment-33007</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I rarely call myself either proper or a troll... and it&#039;s been a while since my last time through LotR.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rarely call myself either proper or a troll&#8230; and it&#8217;s been a while since my last time through LotR.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothea Salo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothea Salo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Argh, Walt! Call yourself a proper troll? It&#039;s &quot;One, two, many, lots!&quot; ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argh, Walt! Call yourself a proper troll? It&#8217;s &#8220;One, two, many, lots!&#8221; <img src='http://walt.lishost.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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