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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/02/the-perils-of-commenting/comment-page-1/#comment-31965</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bowerbird: Your penultimate comment may be right, so maybe it&#039;s best to let it be--although I&#039;m not sure how you would know who my good friends are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bowerbird: Your penultimate comment may be right, so maybe it&#8217;s best to let it be&#8211;although I&#8217;m not sure how you would know who my good friends are.</p>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/02/the-perils-of-commenting/comment-page-1/#comment-31963</link>
		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[walt said:
&gt;   This particular blogger absolutely does not 
&gt;   censor based on (relevant) viewpoint.

walt, i believe that you do _not_ censor.
but some of your good friends do...        :+)

the best thing, of course, is that there is
no shortage of soapboxes in cyberspace.
indeed, almost anyone can buy one and
shout whatever they want to the world...

the thing is, i feel like we&#039;re now talking
_at_ each other, not _with_ each other...

but like i said, i&#039;m probably just gettin&#039; old...      ;+)

-bowerbird]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>walt said:<br />
&gt;   This particular blogger absolutely does not<br />
&gt;   censor based on (relevant) viewpoint.</p>
<p>walt, i believe that you do _not_ censor.<br />
but some of your good friends do&#8230;        :+)</p>
<p>the best thing, of course, is that there is<br />
no shortage of soapboxes in cyberspace.<br />
indeed, almost anyone can buy one and<br />
shout whatever they want to the world&#8230;</p>
<p>the thing is, i feel like we&#8217;re now talking<br />
_at_ each other, not _with_ each other&#8230;</p>
<p>but like i said, i&#8217;m probably just gettin&#8217; old&#8230;      ;+)</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/02/the-perils-of-commenting/comment-page-1/#comment-31799</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good points, bowerbird. I&#039;d respond:

1. This particular blogger absolutely does not censor based on (relevant) viewpoint. I&#039;ll censor based on language, abusiveness, spam, irrelevance--but not on whether someone agrees with me or not. (As I&#039;ve demonstrated in Cites &amp; Insights, I believe, my record on that is solid.) I have no control over other bloggers--but, in the liblog field (the one I primarily care about), I honestly don&#039;t believe there&#039;s much censorship based on viewpoint. 

2. Mail lists (Listserv is a trademark, and as a longtime editor I avoid using it as a generic) haven&#039;t gone away...at least not in libraryland, where they&#039;re doing just fine.

3. There are also group blogs and online forums. There&#039;s room for many online media, including those--one-person blogs, ezines, etc.--where the single authorial voice is central.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, bowerbird. I&#8217;d respond:</p>
<p>1. This particular blogger absolutely does not censor based on (relevant) viewpoint. I&#8217;ll censor based on language, abusiveness, spam, irrelevance&#8211;but not on whether someone agrees with me or not. (As I&#8217;ve demonstrated in Cites &#038; Insights, I believe, my record on that is solid.) I have no control over other bloggers&#8211;but, in the liblog field (the one I primarily care about), I honestly don&#8217;t believe there&#8217;s much censorship based on viewpoint. </p>
<p>2. Mail lists (Listserv is a trademark, and as a longtime editor I avoid using it as a generic) haven&#8217;t gone away&#8230;at least not in libraryland, where they&#8217;re doing just fine.</p>
<p>3. There are also group blogs and online forums. There&#8217;s room for many online media, including those&#8211;one-person blogs, ezines, etc.&#8211;where the single authorial voice is central.</p>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/02/the-perils-of-commenting/comment-page-1/#comment-31785</link>
		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[walt said:
&gt;   Bowerbird: Itâ€™s not always truth, 
&gt;   and itâ€™s not always a guided search.

except that it is situations which
_are_ &quot;a guided search for truth&quot;
-- or at the very least _should_be_ --
where i get most upset at censorship...

(although &quot;upset&quot; is too strong a word,
as these days i&#039;ve become inured to it...)


&gt;   Lots of questions have more than one right answerâ€¦

but lots of bloggers only seem to want one answer
-- _their_answer_, right or wrong -- to be heard...

i think it&#039;s the sense of ownership of the blog.

i guess i&#039;m an old fogey, and i miss listserves,
where the object was _communal_ in nature.

-bowerbird]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>walt said:<br />
&gt;   Bowerbird: Itâ€™s not always truth,<br />
&gt;   and itâ€™s not always a guided search.</p>
<p>except that it is situations which<br />
_are_ &#8220;a guided search for truth&#8221;<br />
&#8211; or at the very least _should_be_ &#8211;<br />
where i get most upset at censorship&#8230;</p>
<p>(although &#8220;upset&#8221; is too strong a word,<br />
as these days i&#8217;ve become inured to it&#8230;)</p>
<p>&gt;   Lots of questions have more than one right answerâ€¦</p>
<p>but lots of bloggers only seem to want one answer<br />
&#8211; _their_answer_, right or wrong &#8212; to be heard&#8230;</p>
<p>i think it&#8217;s the sense of ownership of the blog.</p>
<p>i guess i&#8217;m an old fogey, and i miss listserves,<br />
where the object was _communal_ in nature.</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very good point. Used to be, I&#039;d rescue one &quot;real comment&quot; from the spam list maybe twice a month. Now? Not so much--but given the peculiar spam attempts that show up, don&#039;t be surprised if a comment that basically just agrees with me and has an even semi-suspicious URL attached doesn&#039;t get approved. One of these days, I might do a post featuring some of the &quot;real comments&quot;--ones that are obviously spam because post titles at W.a.R. tend to be peculiar, but that would look perfectly normal in other blogs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good point. Used to be, I&#8217;d rescue one &#8220;real comment&#8221; from the spam list maybe twice a month. Now? Not so much&#8211;but given the peculiar spam attempts that show up, don&#8217;t be surprised if a comment that basically just agrees with me and has an even semi-suspicious URL attached doesn&#8217;t get approved. One of these days, I might do a post featuring some of the &#8220;real comments&#8221;&#8211;ones that are obviously spam because post titles at W.a.R. tend to be peculiar, but that would look perfectly normal in other blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Creech</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2008/02/the-perils-of-commenting/comment-page-1/#comment-31713</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Creech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bowerbird wrote, &quot;but yes, fewer and fewer bloggers seem to _allow_ anyone to disagree with them. those comments are increasingly being &#039;filtered out&#039; along with the spam.&quot;

As someone who has been accused of removing or not allowing critical comments on my blog, I have some sympathy for the poor sots dealing with comment software that isn&#039;t sophisticated enough to distinguish between legitimate comments and spam comments.  I don&#039;t censor comments on my blog, and anyone (except spammers and hatemongers -- not that I&#039;ve had many of the latter) is allowed to comment there.  However, because my old comment software was so cludgy, many legitimate comments were lost in the ether, or so I&#039;ve been told.

With the flood of comment spam that has taken over much of the blog commenting world, I would ask that you give your bloggers the benefit of the doubt before accusing them of not allowing negative comments on their blogs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bowerbird wrote, &#8220;but yes, fewer and fewer bloggers seem to _allow_ anyone to disagree with them. those comments are increasingly being &#8216;filtered out&#8217; along with the spam.&#8221;</p>
<p>As someone who has been accused of removing or not allowing critical comments on my blog, I have some sympathy for the poor sots dealing with comment software that isn&#8217;t sophisticated enough to distinguish between legitimate comments and spam comments.  I don&#8217;t censor comments on my blog, and anyone (except spammers and hatemongers &#8212; not that I&#8217;ve had many of the latter) is allowed to comment there.  However, because my old comment software was so cludgy, many legitimate comments were lost in the ether, or so I&#8217;ve been told.</p>
<p>With the flood of comment spam that has taken over much of the blog commenting world, I would ask that you give your bloggers the benefit of the doubt before accusing them of not allowing negative comments on their blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Hazel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally I&#039;d be happy for comments on my blog saying something along the lines of &quot;did you really mean ... because that&#039;s how I read it?&quot;. Heck, I&#039;d be glad to get some comments!
However, my blog is much more of an information-giving exercise than anything else so I don&#039;t expect to get many comments.
Yes, I do believe that people are reluctant to comment except in a bland sort of way since anything else might lead to a flame war or worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I&#8217;d be happy for comments on my blog saying something along the lines of &#8220;did you really mean &#8230; because that&#8217;s how I read it?&#8221;. Heck, I&#8217;d be glad to get some comments!<br />
However, my blog is much more of an information-giving exercise than anything else so I don&#8217;t expect to get many comments.<br />
Yes, I do believe that people are reluctant to comment except in a bland sort of way since anything else might lead to a flame war or worse.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laura: What a wonderful dividing line. Fortunately, there don&#039;t seem to be too many crazy people in the liblog arena. 

Bowerbird: It&#039;s not always truth, and it&#039;s not always a guided search. Lots of questions have more than one right answer...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura: What a wonderful dividing line. Fortunately, there don&#8217;t seem to be too many crazy people in the liblog arena. </p>
<p>Bowerbird: It&#8217;s not always truth, and it&#8217;s not always a guided search. Lots of questions have more than one right answer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I wrote a newspaper column, I on occasion got incredibly vitriolic letters--some sent to my home address, not just to the newspaper.  I never bothered to reply--I was happy to engage people in a public forum, but I&#039;m not going to argue with crazy people.  It&#039;s not worth my time.

Anyway, I second what Mark said--you&#039;re always more than welcome to criticize what I write or say.  I look back on things that I&#039;ve said that now make me cringe, but, you know, if that didn&#039;t happen, it would presumably mean I hadn&#039;t learned anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I wrote a newspaper column, I on occasion got incredibly vitriolic letters&#8211;some sent to my home address, not just to the newspaper.  I never bothered to reply&#8211;I was happy to engage people in a public forum, but I&#8217;m not going to argue with crazy people.  It&#8217;s not worth my time.</p>
<p>Anyway, I second what Mark said&#8211;you&#8217;re always more than welcome to criticize what I write or say.  I look back on things that I&#8217;ve said that now make me cringe, but, you know, if that didn&#8217;t happen, it would presumably mean I hadn&#8217;t learned anything.</p>
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		<title>By: bowerbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowerbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;   Are we getting more reluctant to take someone on 
&gt;   within their own space? Iâ€™m not sure.

&quot;take someone on&quot; might be a poor choice of phrasing.
the object, i would hope, is a guided search for truth...

but yes, fewer and fewer bloggers seem to _allow_
anyone to disagree with them.  those comments are
increasingly being &quot;filtered out&quot; along with the spam.

and that&#039;s when commenting is even turned-on at all.
some people seem to _prefer_ having a bully-puppet.

funny, i thought the benefit of the internet was we are
finally able to engage in many-to-many conversations.
ends up some people still wanna do one-to-many, where
they&#039;re the special &quot;one&quot; and we are their adoring &quot;many&quot;.

there&#039;s a boatload of people out there in the world who
choose to be _personally_insulted_ whenever you&#039;ve
demolished their argument with any solid counters...

i consider them to be a huge opponent to _truth_.

thus, i&#039;ve learned to turn a deaf ear to their squeals.

-bowerbird

p.s.  i was trained as a social scientist, so perhaps
that&#039;s why i actually enjoy it when someone can
provide evidence that disconfirms my theories...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;   Are we getting more reluctant to take someone on<br />
&gt;   within their own space? Iâ€™m not sure.</p>
<p>&#8220;take someone on&#8221; might be a poor choice of phrasing.<br />
the object, i would hope, is a guided search for truth&#8230;</p>
<p>but yes, fewer and fewer bloggers seem to _allow_<br />
anyone to disagree with them.  those comments are<br />
increasingly being &#8220;filtered out&#8221; along with the spam.</p>
<p>and that&#8217;s when commenting is even turned-on at all.<br />
some people seem to _prefer_ having a bully-puppet.</p>
<p>funny, i thought the benefit of the internet was we are<br />
finally able to engage in many-to-many conversations.<br />
ends up some people still wanna do one-to-many, where<br />
they&#8217;re the special &#8220;one&#8221; and we are their adoring &#8220;many&#8221;.</p>
<p>there&#8217;s a boatload of people out there in the world who<br />
choose to be _personally_insulted_ whenever you&#8217;ve<br />
demolished their argument with any solid counters&#8230;</p>
<p>i consider them to be a huge opponent to _truth_.</p>
<p>thus, i&#8217;ve learned to turn a deaf ear to their squeals.</p>
<p>-bowerbird</p>
<p>p.s.  i was trained as a social scientist, so perhaps<br />
that&#8217;s why i actually enjoy it when someone can<br />
provide evidence that disconfirms my theories&#8230;</p>
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