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	<title>Comments on: Library 2.0: Now that that&#8217;s settled&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/11/library-20-now-that-thats-settled/comment-page-1/#comment-29861</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Elena, you raise an interesting issue...but one that I&#039;m not going to address right at the moment. At least I like the &lt;b&gt;idea&lt;/b&gt; that libraries should attempt to see what their users want (presumably &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; their users, not only the most advantaged, most technophilic, or those who spend all their free time in virtual worlds) as an early part of trying to improve services: Finding the needs that tools might be good for, rather than spotting the tools and assuming a need for them. How many library uses of 2.0-style tools have really had that advance understanding of real community needs? I have no idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elena, you raise an interesting issue&#8230;but one that I&#8217;m not going to address right at the moment. At least I like the <b>idea</b> that libraries should attempt to see what their users want (presumably <i>all</i> their users, not only the most advantaged, most technophilic, or those who spend all their free time in virtual worlds) as an early part of trying to improve services: Finding the needs that tools might be good for, rather than spotting the tools and assuming a need for them. How many library uses of 2.0-style tools have really had that advance understanding of real community needs? I have no idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Elena O'Malley</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/11/library-20-now-that-thats-settled/comment-page-1/#comment-29860</link>
		<dc:creator>Elena O'Malley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a bit suspicious of the LibraryCrunch post - it&#039;s a &quot;user-centric&quot; approach, but we &quot;have to get our...users on board.&quot; 

I can think of a reasonable argument or two that people can be hesitant about a new method or system that might benefit them, or one group doesn&#039;t want what might benefit another, but I&#039;m cynical (or perhaps snarky) enough that I&#039;d like that clarified.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit suspicious of the LibraryCrunch post &#8211; it&#8217;s a &#8220;user-centric&#8221; approach, but we &#8220;have to get our&#8230;users on board.&#8221; </p>
<p>I can think of a reasonable argument or two that people can be hesitant about a new method or system that might benefit them, or one group doesn&#8217;t want what might benefit another, but I&#8217;m cynical (or perhaps snarky) enough that I&#8217;d like that clarified.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/11/library-20-now-that-thats-settled/comment-page-1/#comment-29851</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meredith--That&#039;s interesting and, frankly, worse than the original situation. After all, Michael Casey probably coined the term &quot;Library 2.0&quot;--so he could potentially lay some claim to being the right person to (re)define it now.

But Laura&#039;s response says two things:

1. The post was poorly written. As you say, even after being told what Michael and Laura intended by the title, you still don&#039;t read it that way. Neither do I. Neither, as far as I can tell, has anyone else who&#039;s commented on the post. 

2. What they intended to say is not so much arrogant as pure nonsense. &quot;We&quot;--all of us, understanding it for ourselves--&lt;b&gt;most certainly do not&lt;/b&gt; share a single definition of what &quot;Library 2.0&quot; is and is not. As with most universalisms, that&#039;s wholly improbable (&quot;we&quot; do not all agree on when the earth was created or, I suspect, on the idea that the earth revolves in an elliptical orbit around a star). In this particular case, there&#039;s not even near-unanimity of opinion among Library 2.0 advocates.

I was impressed by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tangognat.com/2007/11/03/the-most-definitive-definition-of-library-20-ever/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TangognaT&#039;s understanding of the situation.&lt;/a&gt; Maybe I&#039;ll leave it there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meredith&#8211;That&#8217;s interesting and, frankly, worse than the original situation. After all, Michael Casey probably coined the term &#8220;Library 2.0&#8243;&#8211;so he could potentially lay some claim to being the right person to (re)define it now.</p>
<p>But Laura&#8217;s response says two things:</p>
<p>1. The post was poorly written. As you say, even after being told what Michael and Laura intended by the title, you still don&#8217;t read it that way. Neither do I. Neither, as far as I can tell, has anyone else who&#8217;s commented on the post. </p>
<p>2. What they intended to say is not so much arrogant as pure nonsense. &#8220;We&#8221;&#8211;all of us, understanding it for ourselves&#8211;<b>most certainly do not</b> share a single definition of what &#8220;Library 2.0&#8243; is and is not. As with most universalisms, that&#8217;s wholly improbable (&#8220;we&#8221; do not all agree on when the earth was created or, I suspect, on the idea that the earth revolves in an elliptical orbit around a star). In this particular case, there&#8217;s not even near-unanimity of opinion among Library 2.0 advocates.</p>
<p>I was impressed by <a href="http://www.tangognat.com/2007/11/03/the-most-definitive-definition-of-library-20-ever/" rel="nofollow">TangognaT&#8217;s understanding of the situation.</a> Maybe I&#8217;ll leave it there.</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/11/library-20-now-that-thats-settled/comment-page-1/#comment-29847</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Walt. I commented on the post and got a response from Laura.

&quot;I think you misunderstand. &quot;We&quot; is collective - it is all of us, understanding it for ourselves.&quot;

Looking back at the post, I still read it as &quot;we (Michael and Laura) know&quot;, but I&#039;m glad to hear they didn&#039;t mean it that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Walt. I commented on the post and got a response from Laura.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think you misunderstand. &#8220;We&#8221; is collective &#8211; it is all of us, understanding it for ourselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>Looking back at the post, I still read it as &#8220;we (Michael and Laura) know&#8221;, but I&#8217;m glad to hear they didn&#8217;t mean it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff--I almost noted your comment on Steven&#039;s post. What do you know? Well, I follow Gather No Dust with considerable interest (which doesn&#039;t mean I always agree with you, any more than I look for anyone to always agree with me), and I&#039;m inclined to believe you know quite a bit. (I&#039;m starting to build a leadership blogroll on a separate Bloglines account--for work--and GND looks to be part of the &quot;library leadership&quot; half of that blogroll.)

Steven: Thanks for the comment--and I really wasn&#039;t objecting to the tone of your post. I don&#039;t post at midnight (or do much of anything else other than sleep), but I can see how posting your unvarnished feelings can happen. And it&#039;s not such a bad thing to do sometimes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff&#8211;I almost noted your comment on Steven&#8217;s post. What do you know? Well, I follow Gather No Dust with considerable interest (which doesn&#8217;t mean I always agree with you, any more than I look for anyone to always agree with me), and I&#8217;m inclined to believe you know quite a bit. (I&#8217;m starting to build a leadership blogroll on a separate Bloglines account&#8211;for work&#8211;and GND looks to be part of the &#8220;library leadership&#8221; half of that blogroll.)</p>
<p>Steven: Thanks for the comment&#8211;and I really wasn&#8217;t objecting to the tone of your post. I don&#8217;t post at midnight (or do much of anything else other than sleep), but I can see how posting your unvarnished feelings can happen. And it&#8217;s not such a bad thing to do sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Chabot</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/11/library-20-now-that-thats-settled/comment-page-1/#comment-29832</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Chabot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find the statement amusing as well, but sometimes vitriol is what  comes out when writing at twelve in the morning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the statement amusing as well, but sometimes vitriol is what  comes out when writing at twelve in the morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/11/library-20-now-that-thats-settled/comment-page-1/#comment-29830</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 06:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought the title was very un-library 2.0. Of course, what do I know?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the title was very un-library 2.0. Of course, what do I know?</p>
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