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	<title>Comments on: Wikipedia too liberal for you?</title>
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	<description>The library voice of the radical middle</description>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/02/wikipedia-too-liberal-for-you/#comment-26189</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never got to the Gravity entry; not enough spare time to keep retrying as the server times out. 

In the end, I think it's another example of why satire is so difficult these days: The targets tend to be so much more extreme than any plausible satire. 

Of course, given the unfolding story at Wikipedia--Seth Finkelstein's covering it &lt;a href="http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001156.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001157.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; --the best piece--and &lt;a href="http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001158.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;--I wonder whether Wikipedia doesn't need to be renamed Walesopedia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never got to the Gravity entry; not enough spare time to keep retrying as the server times out. </p>
<p>In the end, I think it&#8217;s another example of why satire is so difficult these days: The targets tend to be so much more extreme than any plausible satire. </p>
<p>Of course, given the unfolding story at Wikipedia&#8211;Seth Finkelstein&#8217;s covering it <a href="http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001156.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001157.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> &#8211;the best piece&#8211;and <a href="http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/001158.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>&#8211;I wonder whether Wikipedia doesn&#8217;t need to be renamed Walesopedia?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Cornwall</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/02/wikipedia-too-liberal-for-you/#comment-26178</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Cornwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mea culpa! Mama mia culpa! I did see the entry on gravity, and other things. I have to concede that the founders of Conservapedia are indeed creationists who believe things that freshman physics should have cured them of. 

I thought about revising the entry on gravity, pointing out that the fact the Moon is receding from the Earth at 3cm a year merely shows that gravity isn't the only force acting on the earth-moon system. Then I realized that I wasn't responsible for fixing the entire Internet.

In my now humble opinion, the thing to do is see if people, particularly politicians, start using it as a reference resource.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mea culpa! Mama mia culpa! I did see the entry on gravity, and other things. I have to concede that the founders of Conservapedia are indeed creationists who believe things that freshman physics should have cured them of. </p>
<p>I thought about revising the entry on gravity, pointing out that the fact the Moon is receding from the Earth at 3cm a year merely shows that gravity isn&#8217;t the only force acting on the earth-moon system. Then I realized that I wasn&#8217;t responsible for fixing the entire Internet.</p>
<p>In my now humble opinion, the thing to do is see if people, particularly politicians, start using it as a reference resource.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/02/wikipedia-too-liberal-for-you/#comment-25996</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not equating conservative with ignorance. I know enough intelligent conservatives not to make that equation. I may be equating Conservapedia with ignorance, but that's not at all the same thing. (For that matter, my brother-in-law is one of the leading lights of ID, and he's extremely intelligent and not at all ignorant. Doesn't mean I agree with him...)

Actually, ignorance is the wrong term in any case. 

If you can get to the site, check out a few other pages; I think you'll find that the Kangaroo item is not atypical. 

When you grew up, plate tectonics weren't that solidly established. Trying to make plate tectonics and a literal view of the Bible fit together causes mental gymnastics like believing that continental shift happened since the Flood. And, of course, that humans were around for the Flood. That's some fast restructuring of the earth--but it limits the number of sciences that have to be thrown out the window.

I'm told the entry on Gravity is interesting as well, but I can't get back to Conservapedia...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not equating conservative with ignorance. I know enough intelligent conservatives not to make that equation. I may be equating Conservapedia with ignorance, but that&#8217;s not at all the same thing. (For that matter, my brother-in-law is one of the leading lights of ID, and he&#8217;s extremely intelligent and not at all ignorant. Doesn&#8217;t mean I agree with him&#8230;)</p>
<p>Actually, ignorance is the wrong term in any case. </p>
<p>If you can get to the site, check out a few other pages; I think you&#8217;ll find that the Kangaroo item is not atypical. </p>
<p>When you grew up, plate tectonics weren&#8217;t that solidly established. Trying to make plate tectonics and a literal view of the Bible fit together causes mental gymnastics like believing that continental shift happened since the Flood. And, of course, that humans were around for the Flood. That&#8217;s some fast restructuring of the earth&#8211;but it limits the number of sciences that have to be thrown out the window.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m told the entry on Gravity is interesting as well, but I can&#8217;t get back to Conservapedia&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Cornwall</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/02/wikipedia-too-liberal-for-you/#comment-25994</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Cornwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Walt,

Have you considered whether the Kangaroo article might have been posted by a prankster? I grew up fundamentalist (since recovered) and never heard anything like that. 

Another thing to look for would be to see how the article changes over the coming days and months. Even if a somewhat weird creationist sincerely believed in the kangaroo article, perhaps Justice Scalia or William F. Buckley will drop by and change it back to a somewhat more mainstream version. 

Given the newness of the tool, I don't think it's time to start equating conservative with ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Walt,</p>
<p>Have you considered whether the Kangaroo article might have been posted by a prankster? I grew up fundamentalist (since recovered) and never heard anything like that. </p>
<p>Another thing to look for would be to see how the article changes over the coming days and months. Even if a somewhat weird creationist sincerely believed in the kangaroo article, perhaps Justice Scalia or William F. Buckley will drop by and change it back to a somewhat more mainstream version. </p>
<p>Given the newness of the tool, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s time to start equating conservative with ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/02/wikipedia-too-liberal-for-you/#comment-25991</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rather like Ayn at Random. I'm surprised RightSpace isn't already operating (and maybe it is!). But I'd guess most Ayn supporters would be less than thrilled with Conservapedia as it now stands!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rather like Ayn at Random. I&#8217;m surprised RightSpace isn&#8217;t already operating (and maybe it is!). But I&#8217;d guess most Ayn supporters would be less than thrilled with Conservapedia as it now stands!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/02/wikipedia-too-liberal-for-you/#comment-25978</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conservapedia? Sounds about as original as the "1/2 Hour News Hour." What's next? ConservaTube? RightSpace? Second Right-to-Life? Ayn at Random?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservapedia? Sounds about as original as the &#8220;1/2 Hour News Hour.&#8221; What&#8217;s next? ConservaTube? RightSpace? Second Right-to-Life? Ayn at Random?</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Macaulay</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/02/wikipedia-too-liberal-for-you/#comment-25974</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Macaulay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!!!! Thanks for the link. I particularly like the line "Christianity receives no credit for the great advances and discoveries it inspired, such as those of the Renaissance."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!!!! Thanks for the link. I particularly like the line &#8220;Christianity receives no credit for the great advances and discoveries it inspired, such as those of the Renaissance.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Clark</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/02/wikipedia-too-liberal-for-you/#comment-25971</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*headdesk*

well, to each their own, I suppose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*headdesk*</p>
<p>well, to each their own, I suppose&#8230;</p>
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