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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/02/on-not-getting-it-or-ymmv/comment-page-1/#comment-25390</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 02:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A note to anyone who gets here via a link from See Also... (and who happens to scroll down): I&#039;m a little surprised to have three individual words taken from three different comments--not the post, mind you, but the comments--and turned into a seeming attack on people who enjoyed the video in question. Who appear to be in the vast majority of those saying anything about it (and maybe now I know one reason why), so they&#039;re hardly an embattled minority.

I thought there was a thing going around about charitable reading, frankness, not being too polite, and not watching every single word we say lest it be taken out of context. Maybe I misunderstood. Or maybe some people--or some &quot;sides&quot;--are supposed to be treated more charitably than others?

Sigh. I need to think about this. I had a post in mind (re Windows Vista), but right now I just want to turn off the computer and participate in First Life. It&#039;s been a long day that suddenly feels a lot longer.

&lt;strong&gt;Update Friday, February 9:&lt;/strong&gt; Things got out of hand yesterday, partly because of intemperate language in some of the comments here (or language that could be interpreted as intemperate--there&#039;s that charitable reading thing!), partly because some of us must have had unusually bad days. I think there may be some lessons about the antisocial aspects of &quot;social&quot; software, and I might explore those lessons at some point. Meanwhile, today is another day (cue Tara&#039;s Theme). I&#039;ll stand by the note that people who are willing to say anything critical about the video in question are a distinct minority, as the &quot;awesome brigade&quot; of link love grows ever larger--and that, for me at least, that doesn&#039;t mean those who like the video are wrong, any more than those who like music that strikes me as noise or TV shows I can&#039;t sit through are wrong. As Willie Nelson would say...nope, that&#039;s too many obvious cultural references for one comment update.

I&#039;m not turning off comments for this post, but I think the conversation came unglued enough to let well enough alone past this point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A note to anyone who gets here via a link from See Also&#8230; (and who happens to scroll down): I&#8217;m a little surprised to have three individual words taken from three different comments&#8211;not the post, mind you, but the comments&#8211;and turned into a seeming attack on people who enjoyed the video in question. Who appear to be in the vast majority of those saying anything about it (and maybe now I know one reason why), so they&#8217;re hardly an embattled minority.</p>
<p>I thought there was a thing going around about charitable reading, frankness, not being too polite, and not watching every single word we say lest it be taken out of context. Maybe I misunderstood. Or maybe some people&#8211;or some &#8220;sides&#8221;&#8211;are supposed to be treated more charitably than others?</p>
<p>Sigh. I need to think about this. I had a post in mind (re Windows Vista), but right now I just want to turn off the computer and participate in First Life. It&#8217;s been a long day that suddenly feels a lot longer.</p>
<p><strong>Update Friday, February 9:</strong> Things got out of hand yesterday, partly because of intemperate language in some of the comments here (or language that could be interpreted as intemperate&#8211;there&#8217;s that charitable reading thing!), partly because some of us must have had unusually bad days. I think there may be some lessons about the antisocial aspects of &#8220;social&#8221; software, and I might explore those lessons at some point. Meanwhile, today is another day (cue Tara&#8217;s Theme). I&#8217;ll stand by the note that people who are willing to say anything critical about the video in question are a distinct minority, as the &#8220;awesome brigade&#8221; of link love grows ever larger&#8211;and that, for me at least, that doesn&#8217;t mean those who like the video are wrong, any more than those who like music that strikes me as noise or TV shows I can&#8217;t sit through are wrong. As Willie Nelson would say&#8230;nope, that&#8217;s too many obvious cultural references for one comment update.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not turning off comments for this post, but I think the conversation came unglued enough to let well enough alone past this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/02/on-not-getting-it-or-ymmv/comment-page-1/#comment-25383</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walt, I most certainly do NOT get it either.  Neither the bad content, nor the bad form, nor the hype.  What is up with the overly fast jerky style?  Maybe I should watch more commercials and do more multitasking so I could actually focus on what isn&#039;t there in the first place.

You are certainly not alone, and if it&#039;s a minority count me glad to be in it.  I could say more but I&#039;ll try to keep the negativity to my own blog.  Thanks for saying this, though.  It needed to be said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt, I most certainly do NOT get it either.  Neither the bad content, nor the bad form, nor the hype.  What is up with the overly fast jerky style?  Maybe I should watch more commercials and do more multitasking so I could actually focus on what isn&#8217;t there in the first place.</p>
<p>You are certainly not alone, and if it&#8217;s a minority count me glad to be in it.  I could say more but I&#8217;ll try to keep the negativity to my own blog.  Thanks for saying this, though.  It needed to be said.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, note how much the video look like a commercial - the same techniques. Simple words, focus on the feeling to be associated with the product, warm-n-fuzzy stroking of the audience&#039;s vanity,  etc.

It wouldn&#039;t surprise me if there was some marketing firm in the background of its creation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, note how much the video look like a commercial &#8211; the same techniques. Simple words, focus on the feeling to be associated with the product, warm-n-fuzzy stroking of the audience&#8217;s vanity,  etc.</p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if there was some marketing firm in the background of its creation.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm. I stand &lt;strike&gt;informed&lt;/strike&gt; corrected. For me, it&#039;s both hypocrisy and hyperbole in Jobs&#039; case (his hypocrisy on DRM and, ahem, closed solutions is nothing short of world-class).

&lt;b&gt;Update:&lt;/b&gt; I changed &quot;informed&quot; to &quot;corrected&quot; in this case, although either could work. After all, I&#039;m thinking of posts about willingness to admit you&#039;re wrong...and maybe, just maybe, I should walk the walk.

[Between the time I posted the original post and now, I&#039;ve seen at least a dozen more instances show I&#039;m decidedly in the minority among libloggers on this one... So it goes.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. I stand <strike>informed</strike> corrected. For me, it&#8217;s both hypocrisy and hyperbole in Jobs&#8217; case (his hypocrisy on DRM and, ahem, closed solutions is nothing short of world-class).</p>
<p><b>Update:</b> I changed &#8220;informed&#8221; to &#8220;corrected&#8221; in this case, although either could work. After all, I&#8217;m thinking of posts about willingness to admit you&#8217;re wrong&#8230;and maybe, just maybe, I should walk the walk.</p>
<p>[Between the time I posted the original post and now, I've seen at least a dozen more instances show I'm decidedly in the minority among libloggers on this one... So it goes.]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walt, the connection I see is hype.

While I can&#039;t be sure about your personal reaction, it seems that many people don&#039;t like Steve Jobs because they think he is a master of hype, of style over substance (cf. &lt;a href=&quot;http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&amp;story=Reality_Distortion_Field.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reality distortion field&lt;/a&gt;), and that he preaches to a choir of Mac fanboys.

Likewise, many people seem to not like the Wesch video because they feel he is capitalizing on buzzwords and employing a flashy visual style without really understanding what he is talking about (&quot;Most early websites were written in HTML&quot;; as opposed to what?) while preaching to a chorus of Web 2.0 cultists.

People have different tolerances for hype. Some find it immediately off-putting, while others just chalk it up to &quot;showmanship.&quot;

But maybe you just don&#039;t like dark turtlenecks or something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt, the connection I see is hype.</p>
<p>While I can&#8217;t be sure about your personal reaction, it seems that many people don&#8217;t like Steve Jobs because they think he is a master of hype, of style over substance (cf. <a href="http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&amp;story=Reality_Distortion_Field.txt" rel="nofollow">reality distortion field</a>), and that he preaches to a choir of Mac fanboys.</p>
<p>Likewise, many people seem to not like the Wesch video because they feel he is capitalizing on buzzwords and employing a flashy visual style without really understanding what he is talking about (&#8220;Most early websites were written in HTML&#8221;; as opposed to what?) while preaching to a chorus of Web 2.0 cultists.</p>
<p>People have different tolerances for hype. Some find it immediately off-putting, while others just chalk it up to &#8220;showmanship.&#8221;</p>
<p>But maybe you just don&#8217;t like dark turtlenecks or something.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, I don&#039;t see the connection, but that&#039;s nothing new.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I don&#8217;t see the connection, but that&#8217;s nothing new.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the fact that you are annoyed by Steve Jobs and the video in question is not a coincidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the fact that you are annoyed by Steve Jobs and the video in question is not a coincidence.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2007/02/on-not-getting-it-or-ymmv/comment-page-1/#comment-25345</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blake: My three-meter stick (for not touching lines like that) has once again gone missing.

Kathryn: I don&#039;t take that as a criticism. (And I don&#039;t mind criticism, particularly if it&#039;s of my ideas or writing.) I don&#039;t know that I think that video speaks to those (like me) who learn through reading; it&#039;s a visual lecture, not a coherent text. I&#039;m not much of a lecture learner, and I&#039;m not much of a pretty-picture learner. I certainly learn through reading (and sometimes doing, of course). But I can learn through visual means--I just didn&#039;t get &lt;b&gt;this&lt;/b&gt; video.

[I got a reminder yesterday. I was trying to get more details about Lulu&#039;s publish-on-demand details. They have a visual walkthrough, Flash, with narration and all. I picked up a few things. Then I went to the FAQs and picked up a whole lot more, much faster. For me, the visual walkthrough was essentially a waste of time.]

I&#039;m not an iPod person either, for reasons discussed elsewhere--mostly that, when I listen to music, I tend to &lt;b&gt;listen&lt;/b&gt; to music, and don&#039;t much care for it as pure background. I think of the iPod as a smaller, more convenient, higher-capacity to a whole string of devices that either began with the Walkman or, maybe, portable radios. Great for many people, not great for others. 

If I traveled enough, though, I would probably get some equivalent, because there are times during traveling when really listening to music is my favorite way to spend time--I have a cheapo portable CD player (and dozens of CD-Rs mixed from my ripped CDs) that I use now and then, (OK, it&#039;s also true that Steve Jobs annoys me enough that I&#039;d probably get some other player if I did get one, but mostly I&#039;m unlikely to get any of them at this point: the likely use wouldn&#039;t justify the price.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake: My three-meter stick (for not touching lines like that) has once again gone missing.</p>
<p>Kathryn: I don&#8217;t take that as a criticism. (And I don&#8217;t mind criticism, particularly if it&#8217;s of my ideas or writing.) I don&#8217;t know that I think that video speaks to those (like me) who learn through reading; it&#8217;s a visual lecture, not a coherent text. I&#8217;m not much of a lecture learner, and I&#8217;m not much of a pretty-picture learner. I certainly learn through reading (and sometimes doing, of course). But I can learn through visual means&#8211;I just didn&#8217;t get <b>this</b> video.</p>
<p>[I got a reminder yesterday. I was trying to get more details about Lulu's publish-on-demand details. They have a visual walkthrough, Flash, with narration and all. I picked up a few things. Then I went to the FAQs and picked up a whole lot more, much faster. For me, the visual walkthrough was essentially a waste of time.]</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an iPod person either, for reasons discussed elsewhere&#8211;mostly that, when I listen to music, I tend to <b>listen</b> to music, and don&#8217;t much care for it as pure background. I think of the iPod as a smaller, more convenient, higher-capacity to a whole string of devices that either began with the Walkman or, maybe, portable radios. Great for many people, not great for others. </p>
<p>If I traveled enough, though, I would probably get some equivalent, because there are times during traveling when really listening to music is my favorite way to spend time&#8211;I have a cheapo portable CD player (and dozens of CD-Rs mixed from my ripped CDs) that I use now and then, (OK, it&#8217;s also true that Steve Jobs annoys me enough that I&#8217;d probably get some other player if I did get one, but mostly I&#8217;m unlikely to get any of them at this point: the likely use wouldn&#8217;t justify the price.)</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been crazy busy this week, so I finally had a chance to watch it last night. I guess what I&#039;d say is that I didn&#039;t find the content of the video very useful or exciting, but I really liked the technique. It was definitely eye-catching and engaging and I could see it being used to explain other things (though in a more coherent way -- I don&#039;t think that would have been very useful for people with no exposure to RSS and Web 2.0). So yeah, if the hubbub is about the content, I don&#039;t get it either. But if it&#039;s about the &quot;film &amp; editing technique&quot; as a way to present information, then I totally get it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been crazy busy this week, so I finally had a chance to watch it last night. I guess what I&#8217;d say is that I didn&#8217;t find the content of the video very useful or exciting, but I really liked the technique. It was definitely eye-catching and engaging and I could see it being used to explain other things (though in a more coherent way &#8212; I don&#8217;t think that would have been very useful for people with no exposure to RSS and Web 2.0). So yeah, if the hubbub is about the content, I don&#8217;t get it either. But if it&#8217;s about the &#8220;film &amp; editing technique&#8221; as a way to present information, then I totally get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Greenhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn Greenhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Dorothea that it is two lectures mashed together, which isn&#039;t so clever, but I do admit to being one of the &quot;wow&quot;-ers. Here&#039;s my thinking, in case you were curious about why....

It did actually help me to &quot;get&quot;  XML and what all the fuss is about it. I&#039;d been reading about it for the last 6 months, but the Wonder Video clarified it for me. I think it would be help someone with a very basic understanding of web formatting to understand its development. 

I found the &quot;rethinking&quot; questions spot  on and thought provoking -  I haven&#039;t seen them listed so clearly before.

Just a thought, Walt, not a criticism....are you a very visual learner? I don&#039;t mean visually literate, I mean the way you prefer to learn things. I am extremely visual. Half way through my first viewing, I thought - &quot;this is great if you love reading and looking..I wonder how people who learn in other ways find it&quot;? I think Second Life is similar - great if you are a visual thinker, not so good if you learn in other ways - I think it would frustrate the heck out of a kinesthetic learner.

Nooow..my dirty little secret confession.....the iPod. Nope. Just.Don&#039;t.Get.It - true. I know it works for more people than will ever visit Second Life, but it&#039;s just too distracting and, well, superfluous to what I need for a calm world. So..hello to the &quot;Don&#039;t get that viral video&quot; Camp from the &quot;Why would you want an iPod, anyhow?&quot; Camp.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dorothea that it is two lectures mashed together, which isn&#8217;t so clever, but I do admit to being one of the &#8220;wow&#8221;-ers. Here&#8217;s my thinking, in case you were curious about why&#8230;.</p>
<p>It did actually help me to &#8220;get&#8221;  XML and what all the fuss is about it. I&#8217;d been reading about it for the last 6 months, but the Wonder Video clarified it for me. I think it would be help someone with a very basic understanding of web formatting to understand its development. </p>
<p>I found the &#8220;rethinking&#8221; questions spot  on and thought provoking &#8211;  I haven&#8217;t seen them listed so clearly before.</p>
<p>Just a thought, Walt, not a criticism&#8230;.are you a very visual learner? I don&#8217;t mean visually literate, I mean the way you prefer to learn things. I am extremely visual. Half way through my first viewing, I thought &#8211; &#8220;this is great if you love reading and looking..I wonder how people who learn in other ways find it&#8221;? I think Second Life is similar &#8211; great if you are a visual thinker, not so good if you learn in other ways &#8211; I think it would frustrate the heck out of a kinesthetic learner.</p>
<p>Nooow..my dirty little secret confession&#8230;..the iPod. Nope. Just.Don&#8217;t.Get.It &#8211; true. I know it works for more people than will ever visit Second Life, but it&#8217;s just too distracting and, well, superfluous to what I need for a calm world. So..hello to the &#8220;Don&#8217;t get that viral video&#8221; Camp from the &#8220;Why would you want an iPod, anyhow?&#8221; Camp.</p>
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