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	<title>Comments on: Bandwidth of a 747 hauling Blu-ray discs</title>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2006/07/bandwidth-of-a-747-hauling-blu-ray-discs/comment-page-1/#comment-13209</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter: It&#039;s the &quot;SA&quot; that made me ask, since it&#039;s not part of the C&amp;I license. Thanks. And I&#039;m sure the jester will show up when it&#039;s time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter: It&#8217;s the &#8220;SA&#8221; that made me ask, since it&#8217;s not part of the C&#038;I license. Thanks. And I&#8217;m sure the jester will show up when it&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Murray</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2006/07/bandwidth-of-a-747-hauling-blu-ray-discs/comment-page-1/#comment-13208</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Thom, for doing the math on the weight.  It is good to know that, should anyone find a real need to load up a Boeing 747 full of Blu-ray disks, the weight limit will not be exceeded.  

Walt, permission to reprint granted!  (It was probably implicit with DLTJ&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Creative Commons By-NC-SA license&lt;/a&gt;, but might as well be explicit.)

Your comment to my comment about MARC is still buzzing around in my brain.  I can&#039;t quite put a finger on it yet, but that string of words is niggling the &#039;jester&#039; side of my persona.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Thom, for doing the math on the weight.  It is good to know that, should anyone find a real need to load up a Boeing 747 full of Blu-ray disks, the weight limit will not be exceeded.  </p>
<p>Walt, permission to reprint granted!  (It was probably implicit with DLTJ&#8217;s <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/" rel="nofollow">Creative Commons By-NC-SA license</a>, but might as well be explicit.)</p>
<p>Your comment to my comment about MARC is still buzzing around in my brain.  I can&#8217;t quite put a finger on it yet, but that string of words is niggling the &#8216;jester&#8217; side of my persona.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2006/07/bandwidth-of-a-747-hauling-blu-ray-discs/comment-page-1/#comment-13195</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And if you printed out the contents of those 2,977,600 Blu-ray discs, and taped all the output together (taping on the short side of each page), how many times would the result reach to the moon and back?

I hope nobody makes an attempt to answer that question. I pose it because someone somewhere linked to a very odd page (one of those that undermines the idea that &quot;.edu&quot; confers any special gravitas), which had a comment about 55 billion web pages that, if printed out, would reach to the moon and back several trillion times.

Obvious hyperbole, to be sure, but it raised a fundamentally unanswerable and very silly question that took no more than two minutes to answer (noting that the answer is meaningless): Just under 48.

That is, if each web page fits on a single sheet of 8.5x11&quot; paper (obvious nonsense, but work with me here), and if you could solve the minor engineering problems, and if the moon actually had a perfectly circular orbit at its average distance from Earth, rather than the elliptical orbit it actually has, then... that taped-together space monster would be right around 47.7 times as long as the distance from the earth to the moon. (It&#039;s Webra!)

Now, if there were actually 48.4 billion web pages...(the length of the Wikipedia entry related to this final thought says something about Wikipedia. Maybe.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you printed out the contents of those 2,977,600 Blu-ray discs, and taped all the output together (taping on the short side of each page), how many times would the result reach to the moon and back?</p>
<p>I hope nobody makes an attempt to answer that question. I pose it because someone somewhere linked to a very odd page (one of those that undermines the idea that &#8220;.edu&#8221; confers any special gravitas), which had a comment about 55 billion web pages that, if printed out, would reach to the moon and back several trillion times.</p>
<p>Obvious hyperbole, to be sure, but it raised a fundamentally unanswerable and very silly question that took no more than two minutes to answer (noting that the answer is meaningless): Just under 48.</p>
<p>That is, if each web page fits on a single sheet of 8.5&#215;11&#8243; paper (obvious nonsense, but work with me here), and if you could solve the minor engineering problems, and if the moon actually had a perfectly circular orbit at its average distance from Earth, rather than the elliptical orbit it actually has, then&#8230; that taped-together space monster would be right around 47.7 times as long as the distance from the earth to the moon. (It&#8217;s Webra!)</p>
<p>Now, if there were actually 48.4 billion web pages&#8230;(the length of the Wikipedia entry related to this final thought says something about Wikipedia. Maybe.)</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2006/07/bandwidth-of-a-747-hauling-blu-ray-discs/comment-page-1/#comment-13001</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thom,

Thanks for adding another hard fact to this remarkable discussion. I need to ask you and Peter both for permission to run a mildly-edited version of this whole discussion to a future issue of Cites &amp; Insights; it&#039;s too good to limit to W.a.r.&#039;s smaller audience!

We actually upped the ante by using the two-disc slimline cases, doubling it to 2,977,600--but that doesn&#039;t come close to doubling the weight, since a substantial percentage of the disc-plus-case weight is the case itself. (Netflix would be in trouble if a DVD weighed more than about 25g, since that would substantially increase their postage costs--figuring 3g for the disc sleeve and mailer combined and staying within an ounce or 28g.) My rough guesstimate was somewhere around 90 tons (not metric tons), but that&#039;s a rough guesstimate. Still, I believe, well within a 747&#039;s capacity.

Peter, Thom: Any objection to quoting this whole discussion in Cites &amp; Insights? Collaborative investigation at work...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thom,</p>
<p>Thanks for adding another hard fact to this remarkable discussion. I need to ask you and Peter both for permission to run a mildly-edited version of this whole discussion to a future issue of Cites & Insights; it&#8217;s too good to limit to W.a.r.&#8217;s smaller audience!</p>
<p>We actually upped the ante by using the two-disc slimline cases, doubling it to 2,977,600&#8211;but that doesn&#8217;t come close to doubling the weight, since a substantial percentage of the disc-plus-case weight is the case itself. (Netflix would be in trouble if a DVD weighed more than about 25g, since that would substantially increase their postage costs&#8211;figuring 3g for the disc sleeve and mailer combined and staying within an ounce or 28g.) My rough guesstimate was somewhere around 90 tons (not metric tons), but that&#8217;s a rough guesstimate. Still, I believe, well within a 747&#8242;s capacity.</p>
<p>Peter, Thom: Any objection to quoting this whole discussion in Cites &#038; Insights? Collaborative investigation at work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thom Hickey</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2006/07/bandwidth-of-a-747-hauling-blu-ray-discs/comment-page-1/#comment-12999</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom Hickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just happened to recently purchase a box of 100 slimline cases and the CDs to go in them.  Together they came to just over 10 pounds, or about 50 grams/CD.  Given the 1,488,800 CDs as what a 747 can hold, the total load should be something like 75,000 Kg, or 75 metric tons.  Looking at the empty vs. the fully loaded weights of a 747, it should lift that easily.
--Th]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just happened to recently purchase a box of 100 slimline cases and the CDs to go in them.  Together they came to just over 10 pounds, or about 50 grams/CD.  Given the 1,488,800 CDs as what a 747 can hold, the total load should be something like 75,000 Kg, or 75 metric tons.  Looking at the empty vs. the fully loaded weights of a 747, it should lift that easily.<br />
&#8211;Th</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2006/07/bandwidth-of-a-747-hauling-blu-ray-discs/comment-page-1/#comment-12485</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe MARC has served extremely well for an uncommonly long time, particularly for a machine-readable format (possibly because Henriette Avram and partners really were a LONG way ahead of their time). I believe a range of other tools makes sense for some purposes...but that we&#039;ll be using MARC-via-XML or MARC-via-whatever for a while yet, one way or another, for materials that justify that level of precision. But orders of magnitude? Nahh.

AACR: I&#039;m not going there under any circumstances. 

Oh, I won&#039;t get you /.ed, I don&#039;t think: My readership isn&#039;t that big.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe MARC has served extremely well for an uncommonly long time, particularly for a machine-readable format (possibly because Henriette Avram and partners really were a LONG way ahead of their time). I believe a range of other tools makes sense for some purposes&#8230;but that we&#8217;ll be using MARC-via-XML or MARC-via-whatever for a while yet, one way or another, for materials that justify that level of precision. But orders of magnitude? Nahh.</p>
<p>AACR: I&#8217;m not going there under any circumstances. </p>
<p>Oh, I won&#8217;t get you /.ed, I don&#8217;t think: My readership isn&#8217;t that big.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Murray</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2006/07/bandwidth-of-a-747-hauling-blu-ray-discs/comment-page-1/#comment-12479</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great, Walt!  Now if I get /.-ed (or LISnews-dotted), I&#039;ll know who to thank.  :-)  As you point out, it all just goes to show how some of the &quot;old fashion&quot; ways of doing things are orders of magnitude better than some of these new-fangled things.  (Although you will never catch me admitting that AACR-as-description/MARC-as-transport is orders of magnitude better than some of the new-fangled things we&#039;ve got now.)

Hmmm -- come to think of it, the first flight of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boeing.com/history/boeing/747.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Boeing 747&lt;/a&gt; is just about the same time as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/27/AR2006042702105_pf.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LC MARC pilot project&lt;/a&gt;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, Walt!  Now if I get /.-ed (or LISnews-dotted), I&#8217;ll know who to thank.  <img src='http://walt.lishost.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   As you point out, it all just goes to show how some of the &#8220;old fashion&#8221; ways of doing things are orders of magnitude better than some of these new-fangled things.  (Although you will never catch me admitting that AACR-as-description/MARC-as-transport is orders of magnitude better than some of the new-fangled things we&#8217;ve got now.)</p>
<p>Hmmm &#8212; come to think of it, the first flight of the <a href="http://www.boeing.com/history/boeing/747.html" rel="nofollow">Boeing 747</a> is just about the same time as <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/27/AR2006042702105_pf.html" rel="nofollow">LC MARC pilot project</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We do what we can. (Well, Peter does what he can. I just provided assistance.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do what we can. (Well, Peter does what he can. I just provided assistance.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothea Salo</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2006/07/bandwidth-of-a-747-hauling-blu-ray-discs/comment-page-1/#comment-12471</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothea Salo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Between you, you two nearly ruined an expensive Kinesis keyboard. Lucky it withstands water.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between you, you two nearly ruined an expensive Kinesis keyboard. Lucky it withstands water.</p>
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