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		<title>By: Daniel Cornwall</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2005/07/first-try-excel/comment-page-1/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Cornwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve Coffman says many things. 

I actually started a book review of &lt;i&gt;Being Analog&lt;/i&gt;, then I lost the book in a stack in my bedroom. It finally emerged last week. So, maybe I&#039;ll get round to finishing and posting the review in the next few weeks. Not that I have the same name recognition as Steve Coffman. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Coffman says many things. </p>
<p>I actually started a book review of <i>Being Analog</i>, then I lost the book in a stack in my bedroom. It finally emerged last week. So, maybe I&#8217;ll get round to finishing and posting the review in the next few weeks. Not that I have the same name recognition as Steve Coffman. <img src='http://walt.lishost.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2005/07/first-try-excel/comment-page-1/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do get great discussions! Some of which, some day, will wind up as C&amp;I fodder.

Nah, I&#039;m not counting the LISNews &quot;blog lites&quot; as blogs. Just as I&#039;m not counting LISNews itself--partly because I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a blog, partly because it has considerably more than four authors.

Thanks for the kind words about &lt;i&gt;Being Analog&lt;/i&gt;--and particularly re the numeracy chapter. I still remember that Steve Coffman savaged me for that chapter in his review of the book, basically saying that no librarian could possibly not know all this stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do get great discussions! Some of which, some day, will wind up as C&amp;I fodder.</p>
<p>Nah, I&#8217;m not counting the LISNews &#8220;blog lites&#8221; as blogs. Just as I&#8217;m not counting LISNews itself&#8211;partly because I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a blog, partly because it has considerably more than four authors.</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words about <i>Being Analog</i>&#8211;and particularly re the numeracy chapter. I still remember that Steve Coffman savaged me for that chapter in his review of the book, basically saying that no librarian could possibly not know all this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Cornwall</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2005/07/first-try-excel/comment-page-1/#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Cornwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good discussion you&#039;ve got going here. Count me in as looking forward to the article. I&#039;d say you could pick on my blog, but technically my LISNews Journal isn&#039;t a blog!

Thanks for your research and writing, always interesting.

Completely off topic, I finished reading &lt;i&gt;Being Analog&lt;/i&gt; a few months back. Still really relevant to discussions on the digital future. Plus your section on numbers literacy should be required reading in all Library School &quot;Intro to Research Methods&quot; classes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good discussion you&#8217;ve got going here. Count me in as looking forward to the article. I&#8217;d say you could pick on my blog, but technically my LISNews Journal isn&#8217;t a blog!</p>
<p>Thanks for your research and writing, always interesting.</p>
<p>Completely off topic, I finished reading <i>Being Analog</i> a few months back. Still really relevant to discussions on the digital future. Plus your section on numbers literacy should be required reading in all Library School &#8220;Intro to Research Methods&#8221; classes.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2005/07/first-try-excel/comment-page-1/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those category feeds are one of the reasons I&#039;ll have loads of caveats about the quality of the data in the report. Some metrics are very good quality, some are much more iffy.

Oh, there will be loads of personal observations--it&#039;s C&amp;I, after all--but, well, there&#039;s one high-profile case that I&#039;m just not ready to tackle. Neither is anyone else, apparently. I even wrote a blind item in my LISNews journal. Thought about it. And didn&#039;t press Save. So I&#039;m going to be light on &quot;judgmental&quot; commentary. This time around.

If I had all the time in the world, I&#039;d love to extend the study to, say, the &quot;top 100&quot; in my Reach calculus--but as it is, this article far exceeds my usual &quot;one hour per thousand words&quot; guideline; it&#039;ll run around 6,000-7,000 words, and I&#039;ve put at least 20 hours of effort into it. Worth it, maybe. We&#039;ll see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those category feeds are one of the reasons I&#8217;ll have loads of caveats about the quality of the data in the report. Some metrics are very good quality, some are much more iffy.</p>
<p>Oh, there will be loads of personal observations&#8211;it&#8217;s C&amp;I, after all&#8211;but, well, there&#8217;s one high-profile case that I&#8217;m just not ready to tackle. Neither is anyone else, apparently. I even wrote a blind item in my LISNews journal. Thought about it. And didn&#8217;t press Save. So I&#8217;m going to be light on &#8220;judgmental&#8221; commentary. This time around.</p>
<p>If I had all the time in the world, I&#8217;d love to extend the study to, say, the &#8220;top 100&#8243; in my Reach calculus&#8211;but as it is, this article far exceeds my usual &#8220;one hour per thousand words&#8221; guideline; it&#8217;ll run around 6,000-7,000 words, and I&#8217;ve put at least 20 hours of effort into it. Worth it, maybe. We&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: tangognat</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2005/07/first-try-excel/comment-page-1/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>tangognat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wordpress offers a feed for every category your blog has. I think it has had this kind of capability for some time, but it can be tricky to figure out the addresses for the category feeds.

I&#039;m looking forward to the article, it sounds interesting. Although I tend to like personal observations :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WordPress offers a feed for every category your blog has. I think it has had this kind of capability for some time, but it can be tricky to figure out the addresses for the category feeds.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to the article, it sounds interesting. Although I tend to like personal observations <img src='http://walt.lishost.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dorothea Salo</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2005/07/first-try-excel/comment-page-1/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothea Salo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s probably a good idea. There&#039;s enough grief in the world; no need to add more.

Should be an interesting article. I look forward to it. Shame these metrics have to be so hard to compile, but I suppose there&#039;s no other way unless you want to depend on self-report.

If you need a blogger to pick on, you know I won&#039;t bite you. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s probably a good idea. There&#8217;s enough grief in the world; no need to add more.</p>
<p>Should be an interesting article. I look forward to it. Shame these metrics have to be so hard to compile, but I suppose there&#8217;s no other way unless you want to depend on self-report.</p>
<p>If you need a blogger to pick on, you know I won&#8217;t bite you. <img src='http://walt.lishost.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2005/07/first-try-excel/comment-page-1/#comment-262</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as I can tell, the search box in Bloglines always searches blog posts, even if it&#039;s on the directory page. I just tried a couple of variations of searches for blogs that I know have substantial numbers of feeds, with no results.

As for how gung-ho I am: Not that gung-ho. Just as I deliberately limited Bloglines feeds to a maximum of three for any weblog, trying to pick the most obvious candidates.  I&#039;ve already concluded that any single measure of a weblog is likely to be wildly misleading--and, for that matter, that any combination of measures provides indication, not validation.

I&#039;ve actually finished (almost all of) the research now and am writing up the results and observations along the way. The report, which will be the feature article in the September C&amp;I, will &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; have a big chart purporting to show exact importance rankings or anything of the sort; it will have a variety of metrics &lt;i&gt;describing&lt;/i&gt; the group of blogs fully studied (which total 60 in all, out of the 239 I started with). And I&#039;m removing the personal observations I was starting to make about some blogs, because I don&#039;t need the grief--particularly from the one case where I honestly don&#039;t know what to make of the changes in a blogger&#039;s personality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I can tell, the search box in Bloglines always searches blog posts, even if it&#8217;s on the directory page. I just tried a couple of variations of searches for blogs that I know have substantial numbers of feeds, with no results.</p>
<p>As for how gung-ho I am: Not that gung-ho. Just as I deliberately limited Bloglines feeds to a maximum of three for any weblog, trying to pick the most obvious candidates.  I&#8217;ve already concluded that any single measure of a weblog is likely to be wildly misleading&#8211;and, for that matter, that any combination of measures provides indication, not validation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve actually finished (almost all of) the research now and am writing up the results and observations along the way. The report, which will be the feature article in the September C&amp;I, will <b>not</b> have a big chart purporting to show exact importance rankings or anything of the sort; it will have a variety of metrics <i>describing</i> the group of blogs fully studied (which total 60 in all, out of the 239 I started with). And I&#8217;m removing the personal observations I was starting to make about some blogs, because I don&#8217;t need the grief&#8211;particularly from the one case where I honestly don&#8217;t know what to make of the changes in a blogger&#8217;s personality.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothea Salo</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2005/07/first-try-excel/comment-page-1/#comment-261</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothea Salo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Duh, of course you figured it out. Never mind.

Searching on the blog (not feed) URL instead of trying to use Bloglines&#039; list (what were they thinking?) probably works.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duh, of course you figured it out. Never mind.</p>
<p>Searching on the blog (not feed) URL instead of trying to use Bloglines&#8217; list (what were they thinking?) probably works.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothea Salo</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2005/07/first-try-excel/comment-page-1/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothea Salo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another thing about Bloglines -- Meredith hinted at it -- is that a blog with more than one feed has split subscription numbers. I&#039;m guessing you already dealt with that, but just in case you didn&#039;t...

If you&#039;re really gung-ho, you can try searching LiveJournal for feeds aggregated there. Good luck, though; LJ&#039;s search is worse even than any OPAC I&#039;ve ever used. Best you can do is ask people to tell you if they&#039;re aggregated over there. (I am. 17 LJ subscribers.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing about Bloglines &#8212; Meredith hinted at it &#8212; is that a blog with more than one feed has split subscription numbers. I&#8217;m guessing you already dealt with that, but just in case you didn&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re really gung-ho, you can try searching LiveJournal for feeds aggregated there. Good luck, though; LJ&#8217;s search is worse even than any OPAC I&#8217;ve ever used. Best you can do is ask people to tell you if they&#8217;re aggregated over there. (I am. 17 LJ subscribers.)</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2005/07/first-try-excel/comment-page-1/#comment-259</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I&#039;m aware that Bloglines subscription counts are as iffy as any other metric for measuring blog readership (or much of anything else on the web, except--maybe--your own site). I&#039;ll write the many paragraphs of caveats after I do the investigation portion. 

The problem with Blogpulse is that it&#039;s so much &quot;of the minute,&quot; fine if that&#039;s what you&#039;re looking for--also a problem with Technorati. Of course, this is all nonsense, but I think the article will be &lt;i&gt;interesting&lt;/i&gt; nonsense. Now, off to do more investigation...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m aware that Bloglines subscription counts are as iffy as any other metric for measuring blog readership (or much of anything else on the web, except&#8211;maybe&#8211;your own site). I&#8217;ll write the many paragraphs of caveats after I do the investigation portion. </p>
<p>The problem with Blogpulse is that it&#8217;s so much &#8220;of the minute,&#8221; fine if that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re looking for&#8211;also a problem with Technorati. Of course, this is all nonsense, but I think the article will be <i>interesting</i> nonsense. Now, off to do more investigation&#8230;</p>
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