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		<title>By: Elmer Jan</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2005/04/phil-ochs-and-tom-paxton/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Elmer Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2005 16:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Walt,

I had the pleasure of meeting you briefly at the CLA Conference in San Jose.

Phil Ochs left a deep impression on me when I first heard his music in the 60s. Since then I have replaced his LPs in my collection when they were reissued on CD and when Rhino released the three-disc â€œFarewells &amp; Fantasiesâ€ set, snapped that up, too. 

I always thought it was unfortunate that singers like Ochs and Paxton labored in the shadow of Bob Dylanâ€™s commercial success. Dylan could be wistfully vague and non-committal when it came to making a social statement: â€œThe answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind.â€ Great. Hereâ€™s a butterfly net, my friend; catch it if you can. Phil Ochs, on the other hand, attacked topical issues head-on with scathing, sardonic lyrics. Songs that he wrote still mirror Americaâ€™s foreign policy over 30 years later: â€œ(Weâ€™re the) Cops of the Worldâ€ or just change the name of the country in â€œ(The Marines Have Landed on the Shores of) Santo Domingo.â€ Ochsâ€™ answer was not blowing in the wind. His answer was to challenge us to listen to our conscience and to commit ourselves to action: 

Wonâ€™t be asked to do my share when Iâ€™m gone... Canâ€™t say whoâ€™s to praise and whoâ€™s to blame when Iâ€™m gone... Canâ€™t be singinâ€™ louder than the guns when Iâ€™m gone... Canâ€™t add my name into the fight when Iâ€™m gone... Wonâ€™t be laughinâ€™ at the lies when Iâ€™m gone... And I canâ€™t question how or wonder why when Iâ€™m gone... Canâ€™t live proud enough to die when Iâ€™m gone... So I guess Iâ€™ll have to do it while Iâ€™m here.

Both Ochs and Paxton were often played on underground FM stations (KMPX, KSAN) in San Francisco in the sixties. But it wasnâ€™t until 1985 that I purchased a Tom Paxton recording, One Million Lawyers and Other Disasters, after hearing the wonderfully satiric track, Yuppies in the Sky.

Happily, works by and about Phil Ochs and Tom Paxton are available through our public libraries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Walt,</p>
<p>I had the pleasure of meeting you briefly at the CLA Conference in San Jose.</p>
<p>Phil Ochs left a deep impression on me when I first heard his music in the 60s. Since then I have replaced his LPs in my collection when they were reissued on CD and when Rhino released the three-disc â€œFarewells &amp; Fantasiesâ€ set, snapped that up, too. </p>
<p>I always thought it was unfortunate that singers like Ochs and Paxton labored in the shadow of Bob Dylanâ€™s commercial success. Dylan could be wistfully vague and non-committal when it came to making a social statement: â€œThe answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind.â€ Great. Hereâ€™s a butterfly net, my friend; catch it if you can. Phil Ochs, on the other hand, attacked topical issues head-on with scathing, sardonic lyrics. Songs that he wrote still mirror Americaâ€™s foreign policy over 30 years later: â€œ(Weâ€™re the) Cops of the Worldâ€ or just change the name of the country in â€œ(The Marines Have Landed on the Shores of) Santo Domingo.â€ Ochsâ€™ answer was not blowing in the wind. His answer was to challenge us to listen to our conscience and to commit ourselves to action: </p>
<p>Wonâ€™t be asked to do my share when Iâ€™m gone&#8230; Canâ€™t say whoâ€™s to praise and whoâ€™s to blame when Iâ€™m gone&#8230; Canâ€™t be singinâ€™ louder than the guns when Iâ€™m gone&#8230; Canâ€™t add my name into the fight when Iâ€™m gone&#8230; Wonâ€™t be laughinâ€™ at the lies when Iâ€™m gone&#8230; And I canâ€™t question how or wonder why when Iâ€™m gone&#8230; Canâ€™t live proud enough to die when Iâ€™m gone&#8230; So I guess Iâ€™ll have to do it while Iâ€™m here.</p>
<p>Both Ochs and Paxton were often played on underground FM stations (KMPX, KSAN) in San Francisco in the sixties. But it wasnâ€™t until 1985 that I purchased a Tom Paxton recording, One Million Lawyers and Other Disasters, after hearing the wonderfully satiric track, Yuppies in the Sky.</p>
<p>Happily, works by and about Phil Ochs and Tom Paxton are available through our public libraries.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2005/04/phil-ochs-and-tom-paxton/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Who was a better songwriter&quot;? Now there&#039;s a debate with no real hope of resolution, in my opinion...although, admittedly, I&#039;ve stepped into this in the past by identifying my own &quot;best living songwriter&quot; candidate, without the qualifier &quot;pop&quot; as part of the equation.

So much depends on how you define songwriting. Lyrics? Melody?

And, of course, for performer/composers, there&#039;s the link between musicianship and composition that&#039;s hard to break. It isn&#039;t entirely a matter of, say, vocal or instrumental quality; it&#039;s partly a matter of ability to claim a song.

Best example: Willie Nelson does not have the most mellifluous voice on this earth--but once he&#039;s sung a song that he cares about (even a little bit), and particularly one that he wrote, I find it hard to listen to anyone else&#039;s version without hearing Willie Nelson&#039;s in the back of my mind. That even includes &quot;Crazy.&quot;

If I start posting more about music (which could happen), there are lots of interesting aspects--but I&#039;m not involved in things like the &quot;SingOut! list&quot; so might sound awfully ignorant. Not that sounding ignorant is anything new for me!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who was a better songwriter&#8221;? Now there&#8217;s a debate with no real hope of resolution, in my opinion&#8230;although, admittedly, I&#8217;ve stepped into this in the past by identifying my own &#8220;best living songwriter&#8221; candidate, without the qualifier &#8220;pop&#8221; as part of the equation.</p>
<p>So much depends on how you define songwriting. Lyrics? Melody?</p>
<p>And, of course, for performer/composers, there&#8217;s the link between musicianship and composition that&#8217;s hard to break. It isn&#8217;t entirely a matter of, say, vocal or instrumental quality; it&#8217;s partly a matter of ability to claim a song.</p>
<p>Best example: Willie Nelson does not have the most mellifluous voice on this earth&#8211;but once he&#8217;s sung a song that he cares about (even a little bit), and particularly one that he wrote, I find it hard to listen to anyone else&#8217;s version without hearing Willie Nelson&#8217;s in the back of my mind. That even includes &#8220;Crazy.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I start posting more about music (which could happen), there are lots of interesting aspects&#8211;but I&#8217;m not involved in things like the &#8220;SingOut! list&#8221; so might sound awfully ignorant. Not that sounding ignorant is anything new for me!</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2005 02:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There seems to be a lot of interest in Phil Ochs this month.  There has been a discussion about Phil Ochs and Bob Dylan, their friendship and falling out, and who was a better songwriter on the SingOut! list for the last several weeks. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a lot of interest in Phil Ochs this month.  There has been a discussion about Phil Ochs and Bob Dylan, their friendship and falling out, and who was a better songwriter on the SingOut! list for the last several weeks. </p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2005/04/phil-ochs-and-tom-paxton/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s really interesting--I wonder if that&#039;s when the boxed set came out? 

I must say, the range of comments on the range of entries (almost as random as the title implies) continue to fascinate and enlighten me (and I hope readers). ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s really interesting&#8211;I wonder if that&#8217;s when the boxed set came out? </p>
<p>I must say, the range of comments on the range of entries (almost as random as the title implies) continue to fascinate and enlighten me (and I hope readers). </p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Ellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was a brief upsurge of interest in Phil Ochs a few years back when Sean Penn took an interest. I believe Penn was exploring the idea of a film about Ochs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a brief upsurge of interest in Phil Ochs a few years back when Sean Penn took an interest. I believe Penn was exploring the idea of a film about Ochs.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://walt.lishost.org/2005/04/phil-ochs-and-tom-paxton/comment-page-1/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree on both counts. Look at Randy Newman&#039;s work: Is he &quot;You&#039;ve got a friend in me&quot; or &quot;I just want you to hurt like I do&quot;? (My guess is more the latter, with enough of the former to keep him busy writing film scores &amp; songs.)

In the case discussed, my guess is that Tom Paxton&#039;s apparent love of humanity, for all its flaws and foibles, has helped sustain his creativity and his plain willingness to keep going. 

What the heck. You want profundity? Not here: This is Walt at Random.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree on both counts. Look at Randy Newman&#8217;s work: Is he &#8220;You&#8217;ve got a friend in me&#8221; or &#8220;I just want you to hurt like I do&#8221;? (My guess is more the latter, with enough of the former to keep him busy writing film scores &amp; songs.)</p>
<p>In the case discussed, my guess is that Tom Paxton&#8217;s apparent love of humanity, for all its flaws and foibles, has helped sustain his creativity and his plain willingness to keep going. </p>
<p>What the heck. You want profundity? Not here: This is Walt at Random.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There could certainly be a correlation between termperament and art - but it&#039;s hardly complete, as many horror writers aren&#039;t any more deranged than the average writer, and many artists are less than their work.

But even if it was completely random, there&#039;d still be art/artists who match up in terms of emotional aspects.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There could certainly be a correlation between termperament and art &#8211; but it&#8217;s hardly complete, as many horror writers aren&#8217;t any more deranged than the average writer, and many artists are less than their work.</p>
<p>But even if it was completely random, there&#8217;d still be art/artists who match up in terms of emotional aspects.</p>
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